Holly
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Oh, I rarely I rarely asked her about it. I was I was just so on the fence about it. And I wanted extra help. determining where I should go, and so I went to my aunt.
Oh, I rarely I rarely asked her about it. I was I was just so on the fence about it. And I wanted extra help. determining where I should go, and so I went to my aunt.
So I could end up with cement shoes at the bottom of a river? No.
So I could end up with cement shoes at the bottom of a river? No.
Calm down. Calm down. I know how this works. Like, you know, you just point a finger and someone gets killed, so I don't want to be involved.
Calm down. Calm down. I know how this works. Like, you know, you just point a finger and someone gets killed, so I don't want to be involved.
Well, he's clearly upset now, and I don't think I should do that for my own well-being. No!
Well, he's clearly upset now, and I don't think I should do that for my own well-being. No!
Yeah, this is her. Who's this?
Yeah, this is her. Who's this?
Is this a prank call? I don't understand.
Is this a prank call? I don't understand.
Oh, okay.
Oh, okay.
Well, yeah, I did, but I did kind of get a little mixed vibes from him.
Well, yeah, I did, but I did kind of get a little mixed vibes from him.
Yeah, I don't know if he told you, but we crashed a wedding together. Yes!
Yeah, I don't know if he told you, but we crashed a wedding together. Yes!
Well, I thought it was exciting. It was fun. And we ended up going to a photo booth.
Well, I thought it was exciting. It was fun. And we ended up going to a photo booth.
Well, he ended up kissing me on the cheek on, like, the third picture. And to me, that was, like, a little quick, too forward, and, like, I don't know. It was, like, really sudden for me.
Well, he ended up kissing me on the cheek on, like, the third picture. And to me, that was, like, a little quick, too forward, and, like, I don't know. It was, like, really sudden for me.
Not really. So what happened was I did keep the photo booth picture.
Not really. So what happened was I did keep the photo booth picture.
So you did like him. I do kind of like him, but I'm also not really sure. Okay. Like I said, I kept the picture, and I have an aunt who's a psychic.
So you did like him. I do kind of like him, but I'm also not really sure. Okay. Like I said, I kept the picture, and I have an aunt who's a psychic.
Yeah, she's a psychic. She, like, reads.
Yeah, she's a psychic. She, like, reads.
Huh.
Huh.
And then I went to see her, and they brought the picture with me, and she did a read on it.
And then I went to see her, and they brought the picture with me, and she did a read on it.
Well, my aunt can. I don't know about all the other psychics. Okay.
Well, my aunt can. I don't know about all the other psychics. Okay.
She said that Noah was a monster in his past life. A monster? A monster? A monster. A monster.
She said that Noah was a monster in his past life. A monster? A monster? A monster. A monster.
No, he committed horrible crimes in his past life. Like, that's scary.
No, he committed horrible crimes in his past life. Like, that's scary.
Yeah, it's still inside him. We are who we were in our past life. And I think it explains a lot. It explains his dangerous side.
Yeah, it's still inside him. We are who we were in our past life. And I think it explains a lot. It explains his dangerous side.
another kind of mixed feelings because he's a killer in his past life. And I'm not sure what to feel about that.
another kind of mixed feelings because he's a killer in his past life. And I'm not sure what to feel about that.
Noah's on the line?
Noah's on the line?
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
I have a good source. And like, I am, I am attracted to you, but it's also, I can't risk my, my own life like that.
I have a good source. And like, I am, I am attracted to you, but it's also, I can't risk my, my own life like that.
Time out.
Time out.
Well, I didn't even know that you were on the line. Why would I be messing with you? This is my truth.
Well, I didn't even know that you were on the line. Why would I be messing with you? This is my truth.
Oh, I rarely I rarely asked her about it. I was I was just so on the fence about it. And I wanted extra help. determining where I should go, and so I went to my aunt.
So I could end up with cement shoes at the bottom of a river? No.
Calm down. Calm down. I know how this works. Like, you know, you just point a finger and someone gets killed, so I don't want to be involved.
Well, he's clearly upset now, and I don't think I should do that for my own well-being. No!
Yeah, this is her. Who's this?
Is this a prank call? I don't understand.
Oh, okay.
Well, yeah, I did, but I did kind of get a little mixed vibes from him.
Yeah, I don't know if he told you, but we crashed a wedding together. Yes!
Well, I thought it was exciting. It was fun. And we ended up going to a photo booth.
Well, he ended up kissing me on the cheek on, like, the third picture. And to me, that was, like, a little quick, too forward, and, like, I don't know. It was, like, really sudden for me.
Not really. So what happened was I did keep the photo booth picture.
So you did like him. I do kind of like him, but I'm also not really sure. Okay. Like I said, I kept the picture, and I have an aunt who's a psychic.
Yeah, she's a psychic. She, like, reads.
Huh.
And then I went to see her, and they brought the picture with me, and she did a read on it.
Well, my aunt can. I don't know about all the other psychics. Okay.
She said that Noah was a monster in his past life. A monster? A monster? A monster. A monster.
No, he committed horrible crimes in his past life. Like, that's scary.
Yeah, it's still inside him. We are who we were in our past life. And I think it explains a lot. It explains his dangerous side.
another kind of mixed feelings because he's a killer in his past life. And I'm not sure what to feel about that.
Noah's on the line?
Oh, my God.
I have a good source. And like, I am, I am attracted to you, but it's also, I can't risk my, my own life like that.
Time out.
Well, I didn't even know that you were on the line. Why would I be messing with you? This is my truth.
The client list was going down. The number of people that were out working on assignments had gone down.
The client list was going down. The number of people that were out working on assignments had gone down.
His interests seemed to not be with the business the way it had been for the previous years.
His interests seemed to not be with the business the way it had been for the previous years.
He seemed to be interested in a relationship with this growing music scene.
He seemed to be interested in a relationship with this growing music scene.
The business was in the basement of the house? Yeah, he had an office for himself, beautifully decorated. He had an office for the rest of us that we shared as a large room. What was the business? He had an IT consulting firm. He provided IT consultants for local businesses.
The business was in the basement of the house? Yeah, he had an office for himself, beautifully decorated. He had an office for the rest of us that we shared as a large room. What was the business? He had an IT consulting firm. He provided IT consultants for local businesses.
He was usually in the office around 5 a.m. He did a lot of work for the day early before everybody came in.
He was usually in the office around 5 a.m. He did a lot of work for the day early before everybody came in.
He would leave a small cassette with his instructions for the day. Those are your marching orders for the day? Correct. I never started the day without that. And yet, that was not on the desk. Neither for myself or my coworkers. Holly thought maybe Lance had an appointment out of the office. She checked his daily calendar. It was blank. There was not one item on it.
He would leave a small cassette with his instructions for the day. Those are your marching orders for the day? Correct. I never started the day without that. And yet, that was not on the desk. Neither for myself or my coworkers. Holly thought maybe Lance had an appointment out of the office. She checked his daily calendar. It was blank. There was not one item on it.
Again, very unusual for someone who is very scheduled.
Again, very unusual for someone who is very scheduled.
If you put a stamp on a letter, it needed to be straight and in the right position. If you were designing a business card or a brochure, it had to be perfect.
If you put a stamp on a letter, it needed to be straight and in the right position. If you were designing a business card or a brochure, it had to be perfect.
Yes, that would be an appropriate characterization.
Yes, that would be an appropriate characterization.
When she came down the steps, we both asked her if she knew where Lance was. We haven't been able to get in touch with him. We haven't seen him. How did she take that? Was she concerned? She immediately ran back upstairs, very quickly.
When she came down the steps, we both asked her if she knew where Lance was. We haven't been able to get in touch with him. We haven't seen him. How did she take that? Was she concerned? She immediately ran back upstairs, very quickly.
You can hear his mom calling 911? Yeah, I mean, I couldn't hear every word she's saying, but yeah, we could hear it.
You can hear his mom calling 911? Yeah, I mean, I couldn't hear every word she's saying, but yeah, we could hear it.
When she was initially screaming, I thought, oh, he must have fallen or he's hurt or something like that.
When she was initially screaming, I thought, oh, he must have fallen or he's hurt or something like that.
While he had a very crafted persona, you know, there were things behind the scenes that perhaps were not as good as he'd like other people to think.
While he had a very crafted persona, you know, there were things behind the scenes that perhaps were not as good as he'd like other people to think.
They did not tell us what was going on. They just asked us who we were, what we were doing there, our relationship with Lance. Did we hear or see anything unusual?
They did not tell us what was going on. They just asked us who we were, what we were doing there, our relationship with Lance. Did we hear or see anything unusual?
And that's the thing you have to remember about Lance is that he is not kidding about when he says something like that.
And that's the thing you have to remember about Lance is that he is not kidding about when he says something like that.
Hello, I am Officer Loingis.
Hello, I am Officer Loingis.
You're not supposed to block an intersection like that in Washington.
You're not supposed to block an intersection like that in Washington.
I was like, he had my phone number. He had asked to hang out with me.
I was like, he had my phone number. He had asked to hang out with me.
I probably would have never thought of this experience again.
I probably would have never thought of this experience again.
I was kind of mingling and socializing and started chatting with this guy and he had told me that he had just moved and he was starting his PhD.
I was kind of mingling and socializing and started chatting with this guy and he had told me that he had just moved and he was starting his PhD.
I definitely felt a little obligated to chat with him because to me he seemed a little awkward, kind of like you might expect for a PhD student who didn't know anyone at the party and was maybe trying his best to kind of get out there and be social and make friends.
I definitely felt a little obligated to chat with him because to me he seemed a little awkward, kind of like you might expect for a PhD student who didn't know anyone at the party and was maybe trying his best to kind of get out there and be social and make friends.
He had put his number into my phone and then I had texted him my name and
He had put his number into my phone and then I had texted him my name and
The wording of the text, as I look back on it, is kind of peculiar.
The wording of the text, as I look back on it, is kind of peculiar.
It was almost overly formal. I really enjoy that activity. So, you know, can you follow up with me about about that?
It was almost overly formal. I really enjoy that activity. So, you know, can you follow up with me about about that?
There's not really a good explanation. You know, the universe intervened and for whatever reason just distracted me from further engaging in that interaction.
There's not really a good explanation. You know, the universe intervened and for whatever reason just distracted me from further engaging in that interaction.
Vague. Vague.
Vague. Vague.
We need the context.
We need the context.
Oh, you've done your time.
Oh, you've done your time.
Hell no.
Hell no.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You didn't.
You didn't.
Not at all.
Not at all.
Couples now, yeah.
Couples now, yeah.
Okay, yeah. I don't know about cherries.
Okay, yeah. I don't know about cherries.
I was like eight or nine.
I was like eight or nine.
Vague. Vague.
We need the context.
Oh, you've done your time.
Hell no.
I don't know.
You didn't.
Not at all.
Couples now, yeah.
Okay, yeah. I don't know about cherries.
I was like eight or nine.
Hi, my name's Holly. I'm 19 and I'm from New Jersey. And I keep seeing things online about recession indicators, some serious and some jokes, all relating to the tariffs. And I guess my question is whether all this widespread talk about a recession would affect demand and actually worsen our probability of a recession actually occurring.
Hi, my name's Holly. I'm 19 and I'm from New Jersey. And I keep seeing things online about recession indicators, some serious and some jokes, all relating to the tariffs. And I guess my question is whether all this widespread talk about a recession would affect demand and actually worsen our probability of a recession actually occurring.
Okay, so we've been married for 17 years. And we have five kids and another on the way. Oh, wow. Um, first 10 years he was active duty in the military. That was really, really hard on our relationship. And we made choices. He chose to get out because our family is more important and that stability is more important. And we made choices. Like I gave up my career.
Okay, so we've been married for 17 years. And we have five kids and another on the way. Oh, wow. Um, first 10 years he was active duty in the military. That was really, really hard on our relationship. And we made choices. He chose to get out because our family is more important and that stability is more important. And we made choices. Like I gave up my career.
I'm a preschool teacher, um, by trade and gave that up to be with our kids. And, um, We, I just, he's underemployed. He's working like. Yeah, what's his situation now job wise? He took a job that guarantees him 30 hours a week as a school bus driver. He has two degrees that we already did the hard work of getting. Like he got those since we've been married.
I'm a preschool teacher, um, by trade and gave that up to be with our kids. And, um, We, I just, he's underemployed. He's working like. Yeah, what's his situation now job wise? He took a job that guarantees him 30 hours a week as a school bus driver. He has two degrees that we already did the hard work of getting. Like he got those since we've been married.
Um, it's really hard. He does get some disability, um, but it's not like complete or anything.
Um, it's really hard. He does get some disability, um, but it's not like complete or anything.
He's such a sweetheart. I think he really likes what he does. And he loves working with the people he works with. He's job hopped. He's experienced a lot of job loss because he left the military. And he finally has found a job that he really likes or the people really seem to appreciate him. But it doesn't make up for the fact that he's underpaid. And we're hustling. We're on baby step two.
He's such a sweetheart. I think he really likes what he does. And he loves working with the people he works with. He's job hopped. He's experienced a lot of job loss because he left the military. And he finally has found a job that he really likes or the people really seem to appreciate him. But it doesn't make up for the fact that he's underpaid. And we're hustling. We're on baby step two.
We're like really working the debt snowball to the best of our ability. I have been working like 50 hours a week trying to open my own daycare, which didn't go well because of other things. But I've been working and bringing in as much as I can. And the problem is that all these side hustles brought our income up to a point where we're bringing in almost $10,000 a month.
We're like really working the debt snowball to the best of our ability. I have been working like 50 hours a week trying to open my own daycare, which didn't go well because of other things. But I've been working and bringing in as much as I can. And the problem is that all these side hustles brought our income up to a point where we're bringing in almost $10,000 a month.
But I'm due soon, and most of my students have left because of my pregnancy.
But I'm due soon, and most of my students have left because of my pregnancy.
which is understandable.
which is understandable.
I didn't grow up with money or anything. It doesn't matter to me what he does. I don't care about his title. Okay. And I've been a stay-at-home mom off and on, and that's what I would prefer to do.
I didn't grow up with money or anything. It doesn't matter to me what he does. I don't care about his title. Okay. And I've been a stay-at-home mom off and on, and that's what I would prefer to do.
But I'm fine with making sacrifices for our family. I'm not asking him to do anything that I haven't done. And I think he sees what I do and acknowledges it and is very grateful. I don't think it's a comparison thing for me. I think it's just that I'm scared because we're about to lose. Half your income.
But I'm fine with making sacrifices for our family. I'm not asking him to do anything that I haven't done. And I think he sees what I do and acknowledges it and is very grateful. I don't think it's a comparison thing for me. I think it's just that I'm scared because we're about to lose. Half your income.
Half our income.
Half our income.
Well, I tried to have that conversation and he's like, well, maybe I want to be a teacher, which means he has to go back to school. And then if you look at the salary that it's starting pay for teachers in our state.
Well, I tried to have that conversation and he's like, well, maybe I want to be a teacher, which means he has to go back to school. And then if you look at the salary that it's starting pay for teachers in our state.
Right. Well, we live outside of Portland in a much cheaper area, but he thinks we can make up the gaps with the side hustles, which we've been doing.
Right. Well, we live outside of Portland in a much cheaper area, but he thinks we can make up the gaps with the side hustles, which we've been doing.
And he's up against time. He doesn't have any more hours in the day to do another side hustle. He already has two part-time gigs plus his bus driving.
And he's up against time. He doesn't have any more hours in the day to do another side hustle. He already has two part-time gigs plus his bus driving.
Hi. I have a difficult question, and I'm really glad that I get to talk to both of you about it.
Hi. I have a difficult question, and I'm really glad that I get to talk to both of you about it.
Okay. I have to have a really hard conversation with my husband. I have to basically tell him in a loving way that I really don't care what his dreams and aspirations are, that I really just need him to get a better job.
Okay. I have to have a really hard conversation with my husband. I have to basically tell him in a loving way that I really don't care what his dreams and aspirations are, that I really just need him to get a better job.
You just need to make money.
You just need to make money.
Okay, so we've been married for 17 years. And we have five kids and another on the way. Oh, wow. Um, first 10 years he was active duty in the military. That was really, really hard on our relationship. And we made choices. He chose to get out because our family is more important and that stability is more important. And we made choices. Like I gave up my career.
I'm a preschool teacher, um, by trade and gave that up to be with our kids. And, um, We, I just, he's underemployed. He's working like. Yeah, what's his situation now job wise? He took a job that guarantees him 30 hours a week as a school bus driver. He has two degrees that we already did the hard work of getting. Like he got those since we've been married.
Um, it's really hard. He does get some disability, um, but it's not like complete or anything.
He's such a sweetheart. I think he really likes what he does. And he loves working with the people he works with. He's job hopped. He's experienced a lot of job loss because he left the military. And he finally has found a job that he really likes or the people really seem to appreciate him. But it doesn't make up for the fact that he's underpaid. And we're hustling. We're on baby step two.
We're like really working the debt snowball to the best of our ability. I have been working like 50 hours a week trying to open my own daycare, which didn't go well because of other things. But I've been working and bringing in as much as I can. And the problem is that all these side hustles brought our income up to a point where we're bringing in almost $10,000 a month.
But I'm due soon, and most of my students have left because of my pregnancy.
which is understandable.
I didn't grow up with money or anything. It doesn't matter to me what he does. I don't care about his title. Okay. And I've been a stay-at-home mom off and on, and that's what I would prefer to do.
But I'm fine with making sacrifices for our family. I'm not asking him to do anything that I haven't done. And I think he sees what I do and acknowledges it and is very grateful. I don't think it's a comparison thing for me. I think it's just that I'm scared because we're about to lose. Half your income.
Half our income.
Well, I tried to have that conversation and he's like, well, maybe I want to be a teacher, which means he has to go back to school. And then if you look at the salary that it's starting pay for teachers in our state.
Right. Well, we live outside of Portland in a much cheaper area, but he thinks we can make up the gaps with the side hustles, which we've been doing.
And he's up against time. He doesn't have any more hours in the day to do another side hustle. He already has two part-time gigs plus his bus driving.
Hi. I have a difficult question, and I'm really glad that I get to talk to both of you about it.
Okay. I have to have a really hard conversation with my husband. I have to basically tell him in a loving way that I really don't care what his dreams and aspirations are, that I really just need him to get a better job.
You just need to make money.
Hey. Yeah, man. You guys, I'm literally in the shower and I was like, who's calling?
Hey. Yeah, man. You guys, I'm literally in the shower and I was like, who's calling?
Congratulations.
Congratulations.
Christmas Berry.
Christmas Berry.
Um, September. Do you guys know where Mackinac Island is?
Um, September. Do you guys know where Mackinac Island is?
Mackinac Island. Yes, I know. I'm a Midwest girl. Oh my God, Midwestern girly. I got married, or I got married, Jesus. I got engaged at Mackinac in September. Oh, isn't that the one where you can't have cars? Yes. Yes.
Mackinac Island. Yes, I know. I'm a Midwest girl. Oh my God, Midwestern girly. I got married, or I got married, Jesus. I got engaged at Mackinac in September. Oh, isn't that the one where you can't have cars? Yes. Yes.
Some time to, like, plan. Yes. You know, he's from Romania. I got a foreign baddie, so I want to make sure everybody can come in. You know the vibes.
Some time to, like, plan. Yes. You know, he's from Romania. I got a foreign baddie, so I want to make sure everybody can come in. You know the vibes.
So fair. No, it'll be, you'll get a Romanian baddie one day.
So fair. No, it'll be, you'll get a Romanian baddie one day.
Love you. Congrats. The least anxious guest you could have.
Love you. Congrats. The least anxious guest you could have.
Hey. Yeah, man. You guys, I'm literally in the shower and I was like, who's calling?
Congratulations.
Christmas Berry.
Um, September. Do you guys know where Mackinac Island is?
Mackinac Island. Yes, I know. I'm a Midwest girl. Oh my God, Midwestern girly. I got married, or I got married, Jesus. I got engaged at Mackinac in September. Oh, isn't that the one where you can't have cars? Yes. Yes.
Some time to, like, plan. Yes. You know, he's from Romania. I got a foreign baddie, so I want to make sure everybody can come in. You know the vibes.
So fair. No, it'll be, you'll get a Romanian baddie one day.
Love you. Congrats. The least anxious guest you could have.