Holly Wainwright

That would be good TV.

Very interesting tidbit of gossip that has also come out of Rachel Zoe's Return to My Algorithm is that she says in one of her interviews that the first person she called when she knew she was going to divorce Roger was Jen Garner.

And the host says that's because she had the best Hollywood divorce ever.

And I was like, tell me more.

Do you believe that she has?

Well...

They obviously, I mean, I don't know, but that suggests to me that the financial settlement was pretty good and that they've obviously managed to do it without too much drama, which is true.

Everybody's always, there are headlines every five minutes saying, Jen Garner and Ben Affleck are going to get back together.

And then they're just civil to each other.

Great for her.

And look, I know that celebrity life isn't real life, but there's no question that what happens in those pop culture things and on reality shows kind of trickles down.

So as that writer says, if watching the triumphant divorce arc is

is making people feel better about the messiness of marriage splits, then that's got to be good.

Although maybe they shouldn't put their kids on telly.

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The New York Times wrote that she's been called, the quote, she's been called a slut.

a homewrecker, a gold digger, a side piece.

The usual tags for shaming women is what Lisa Miller wrote.