Holly Wainwright

You use YouTube for that.

You make your content more and more and more outrageous to game the algorithm.

The content has to be absolutely shocking.

They say the most outrageous things, but few of them seem to actually believe or stand by very much of what they say they believe when challenged.

So it's a difficult watch because you have to listen to this world.

And there is a point in it where it does take this dark turn where Louis is out with them on a night where Tiki Toki or whatever we're supposed to call him basically sets his goons on young men who they've lured to spots with a gay dating app.

And they're like, we're catching pedophiles.

Like it gets really grim.

There's an assault caught on camera.

When it spirals into anti-Semitism and stuff, there is no question it gets very scary.

But the guys themselves are not scary.

I just found every one of them, and so did Brent, to be sad and pathetic.

I do want to pick a little bit.

I mean, I know that you worship the ground that Louis Theroux walks on.

You always have.

I do question, and I'm saying a bit of this commentary, whether his documentary style, which has always been, I stand back, I record, I'm kind of there and I'm kind of, I'm in it.

So I am the content, but I'm a bit separate.

I'm not here to debate.

It is.

And I don't know if it works in this modern world because every single one of these guys uses him for content.