Holly Wainwright

Isn't doing a TEDx talk, just for context, as I understand it, you're not allowed notes.

So you have to write a speech that's pre-prepared, comes with visuals, and you have to memorize it.

Correct.

That is a lot of work.

That would take me...

The thing about that.

story though that I think is worth considering because it's incredible with all of these things anytime you're getting offered opportunities like this the privilege unbelievable right it has to be acknowledged but she probably wouldn't have said the same thing at 27 no I think that because what she went on to say about that is she said she'd obviously worked in that world a long time

She said they can't pay you enough to put up with the amount of stress and pressure and be answering each.

She gives an example of people who answer emails at 4 a.m.

That's the level of work that's expected of you.

You will answer your phone at midnight.

You will answer emails at 4 a.m.

The stress and pressure, the commercial pressure, the advertising.

It sounds like a great job, but what you know when you're in an industry for a long time and you do some big jobs is...

they're not always that good, right?

So that's something that a woman of Grace's age and experience who had decided

who knew what she wanted, could say no to Anna Wintour.

And as she said, that's not what I want.

And that is such a strong statement.

Whereas when you're younger, your mum's advice is good, Em.