Holly Wainwright

to reward a mother for what she's doing.

Now, Claire, I think you and Jessie went on live TV.

I don't know if it was last year, the year before, and maybe said that there wasn't.

How did that go down?

Some people might say that you guys were being funny.

They've all got some good points.

Some really good points.

But I do think that you and Jessie were being facetious deliberately.

Well, I think it does in some ways.

I mean, there's no question if you've lost your dad, Father's Day is going to hit you incredibly hard.

If you're estranged from any parent, it's going to hit you hard.

If you're estranged from your children, it's going to hit you hard.

But the fact that the world is complicated and there are lots of different experiences within it,

It shouldn't mean that you can't celebrate anything.

But also we don't make as much fuss about Father's Day.

We really don't.

In my bloody house, Father's Day is a big deal.

No, but generally the spend is way down.

I always remember at the preschool my kids went to, there would always be you donate gifts for the raffle for Mother's Day overflowing baskets.

Father's Day, maybe a couple of bottles of red like that.