Holly Wainwright

But do we think that was the backlash in motion, Amelia?

TV magazine thinks that for sure.

I do, but I also, I have to examine my attitude about it because I think a lot of it's to do with his choice of partner, right?

And Kylie Jenner.

And I don't think that's fair.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, I think that...

whether it's misogyny, whether it's snobbery about Kylie Jenner and the Kardashian-ness of it all, has rubbed off on him and tainted his brand.

And the truth of it is he is incredibly good at what he does.

Like Mardi Supreme, whether you particularly like that movie or not, his performance is extraordinary.

And the same with the Bob Dylan movie and the same with everything he does.

So he's a great actor and I think that for a long time people were like, oh, he knows how to promote a movie and open a movie.

That was the narrative when Marty Supreme came out.

They were like very few actors can open a movie and take it to the top of the box office, particularly not Gen Z, but he can.

Him and Zendaya are seen as the great saviours of youth cinema.

And it's like he went too hard.

And then I think he went too hard.

And then the establishment went, yeah, but you're not very arty, are you?

Because you're kind of with the Kardashians now.

And I wonder if there's just a bit of old fashioned snobbery at play there.