Howard Blum

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Right. It seems that they did not even go up to the third floor. What's so horrific, you just listen to the hyperventilation. It's just it's so poignant what they went through. And the idea, first of all, that they did not make the call, as you pointed out, until about eight hours after the crimes took place.

Right. It seems that they did not even go up to the third floor. What's so horrific, you just listen to the hyperventilation. It's just it's so poignant what they went through. And the idea, first of all, that they did not make the call, as you pointed out, until about eight hours after the crimes took place.

Right. It seems that they did not even go up to the third floor. What's so horrific, you just listen to the hyperventilation. It's just it's so poignant what they went through. And the idea, first of all, that they did not make the call, as you pointed out, until about eight hours after the crimes took place.

And it's just been released that they were up that morning, one of the girls at 730, another at about 820, and they were making other calls and texts. And they still wait until 1150 or so to call the police. And that's sort of hard to understand. And yet, you know, these children, and they are children, were overwhelmed by this.

And it's just been released that they were up that morning, one of the girls at 730, another at about 820, and they were making other calls and texts. And they still wait until 1150 or so to call the police. And that's sort of hard to understand. And yet, you know, these children, and they are children, were overwhelmed by this.

And it's just been released that they were up that morning, one of the girls at 730, another at about 820, and they were making other calls and texts. And they still wait until 1150 or so to call the police. And that's sort of hard to understand. And yet, you know, these children, and they are children, were overwhelmed by this.

and part of their reluctance why they might not have called the police and the fact that they were drunk they didn't they didn't want to face the reality we all hate to face some possible things but you can see from the dispatcher how the kids the students in in this college town felt the adults react to them we saw that on the police videos earlier when they come to the house on the noise

and part of their reluctance why they might not have called the police and the fact that they were drunk they didn't they didn't want to face the reality we all hate to face some possible things but you can see from the dispatcher how the kids the students in in this college town felt the adults react to them we saw that on the police videos earlier when they come to the house on the noise

and part of their reluctance why they might not have called the police and the fact that they were drunk they didn't they didn't want to face the reality we all hate to face some possible things but you can see from the dispatcher how the kids the students in in this college town felt the adults react to them we saw that on the police videos earlier when they come to the house on the noise

disturbances calls, how the cops go out of their way to dump their beer on the sidewalk. There's a real antagonism between the students and the town. And that adds, I think, to their reluctance to have reached out for help. But also, again, to...

disturbances calls, how the cops go out of their way to dump their beer on the sidewalk. There's a real antagonism between the students and the town. And that adds, I think, to their reluctance to have reached out for help. But also, again, to...

disturbances calls, how the cops go out of their way to dump their beer on the sidewalk. There's a real antagonism between the students and the town. And that adds, I think, to their reluctance to have reached out for help. But also, again, to...

I don't think she's found Zanna yet. What I think and the way I reconstruct it is the door was closed and they were knocking because when they go up, I think it's Hunter Johnson, one of the friends goes up and knocks on the door.

I don't think she's found Zanna yet. What I think and the way I reconstruct it is the door was closed and they were knocking because when they go up, I think it's Hunter Johnson, one of the friends goes up and knocks on the door.

I don't think she's found Zanna yet. What I think and the way I reconstruct it is the door was closed and they were knocking because when they go up, I think it's Hunter Johnson, one of the friends goes up and knocks on the door.

Right. And he's calling their names. He goes, Zanna, Ethan. And then to his credit, I mean, the young man's a hero. He says, get out, get out. He insists that they run away. He doesn't want them to confront what's in there. And I'm not sure they actually even get a glimpse into the room. He shoos them away. I don't think they ever really saw uh, the bodies. They just couldn't get a response.

Right. And he's calling their names. He goes, Zanna, Ethan. And then to his credit, I mean, the young man's a hero. He says, get out, get out. He insists that they run away. He doesn't want them to confront what's in there. And I'm not sure they actually even get a glimpse into the room. He shoos them away. I don't think they ever really saw uh, the bodies. They just couldn't get a response.