Howard Lutnick

No.

Right.

The rest of us, I think, are finding it harder to make that kind of separation clearly.

What was the feeling the first time you're on Air Force One It's just for marine one.

Like is there a special thing where you're just like what is going on?

Yeah.

Well, welcome everybody to the All In interview.

I'd like to welcome Secretary Howard Lutnick, our esteemed Secretary of Commerce.

When we...

did the first interview with you, it was at the beginning of the administration.

It was almost a year ago.

And to be honest, it turned out to be one of the most popular things we've ever done.

There's the Elon Musk view factor, but then there was the Howard Ludnick view factor, and they were pretty much side by side, actually.

It's great that you gave us a chance a year later to come back and talk to you.

Let's just start with the general look back for you.

How has the year gone?

And specifically, I would love to understand

What surprised you as a businessman walking into the government?

Let's just start with that.

You're just saying it's not you.