Howie

So I'd be trying to at least pull around the corner kicks.

And Dennis, you know, stop the karate kick, son.

Just find where Duck is and kick it to him.

And everyone who I played with knew that issue that I had.

And what was – we'll get into the premiership as a young footballer.

What was –

What was special about the kangaroos and the old gym that you hear about and the shinbone of spirit and no money yet you stepped into what became one of the most successful periods in the history of the football club?

It was really successful.

I didn't know anything different.

I was 17 and it was like – and who cares?

Like I've been West Coast and –

Not the worst thing that happened, but going from Subiaco to the new Minres, nothing.

In fact, you sort of lose a bit of spirit.

A bit of soul.

Yeah.

I mean, looking at, I'm sure there's clubs out there that have really flourished, but I haven't seen Essendon flourish.

No.

Hawthorne right now, like the facility, it matters to sell, but we were like a local footy club.

So the gym was the gym.

The weights were the weights.