Hunter Harris
Appearances
Lemme Say This
The Last Of Us (with Punkie Johnson) | 49
Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Let Me Say This. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Hunter, let me say this. Midtown hates to see me coming. And that's a sentence I never thought I would say. Oh, God. Where have you been? What have you been doing? Where have you been? I've been stomping the yard over here in my theater era.
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And that is my king. He said like trans rights all day, every day, 24 seven. It's his own birthday. He's wearing that shirt. That was like, I don't know, something pro trans, but I love him. That's a king. That's a real man.
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Are we about to get into gaming? I think so. I think you're opening your computer in a new way this time, actually. Girl. You're getting into a different kind of playing games. I am at least. After Arcane. What am I going to do? A controller? A stylus? No. A QR code? Girl. Hunter.
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I do want to get into gaming. I think that would be actually, we should get on Twitch. We should do something with it. We should monetize that. But post-Arcane, Last of Us, I think there's something cooking here. There's some linking and building to be done. And you know what I will be doing though?
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I will be pressing play on Fantastic Fungi on Netflix right now because I won't get got by that big bitch. By the, what do you call it? Bloater? Do they have actual government names? Oh my God. Yes. Yeah, that won't be me. I'm out. I'm out.
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Yeah. Like, the numbers are not on our side, actually.
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And now that Katy Perry went to space, I mean... The numbers are astronomical. Anyway, that's what I've been up to. Me and my 57th Street vibe. What about you?
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You know, we hate to brag, but today we are blessed. Oh, and we are highly favored because with us today is Punky Johnson, comedian, actress, writer. You might be familiar with her work from SNL. And she's come to key with us on the pod. Hey, welcome. What's up, what's up, what's up?
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No, it starts now. We're live now. We have an important question for you. What's up? Are you a lover or a hater?
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The lies coming out of that hateful mouth. Okay, follow-up question. Are you a lover or a hater of Lisa from Temecula?
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I was going to say, do you have a Lisa from Temecula in your life?
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Did I stutter? Yeah, yeah. I would be clear on that.
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And you know what? Period, actually. Yeah. I love a woman that knows what she wants. That's my truth. A decisive queen.
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You couldn't even say that with your chest, Loki. Oklahoma. That's what you said.
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Heard. And say that, actually. Say it louder, in fact. Yeah, I'm on my way. I have a bag packed.
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A concept. I'm in Times Square right now, so I don't know what that means, but no woman, no peace, nothing good going on over here.
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I'm curious about the naming of the Childish and Petty Tour. Can you tell us what makes something childish and what makes something petty?
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Hunter said, as someone both childish and petty, I agree.
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So, you know, I have to ask what sign are you?
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Oh, the calls coming from inside the house. Oh my God. I was like, ooh, stubborn. Okay. Uh-oh. What's happening here? May or April?
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Oh, we're so close. I'm April 24th. Oh, wow.
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No, no. Sometimes when I'm wrong, I'm just going to be like, I'll just be wronger. I'm just going to double down on the bullshit. I double down on being wrong a lot. On my bullshit. Yeah. Well, happy tour season to us. Okay.
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I also love that this became an astrology podcast. That's so gay of us. But I also want to talk about SNL 50. Yes. What was it like?
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Yeah. You got to act up for Whoopi. I'm sorry. Yeah. That's mother.
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Yeah. And then Pedro, is that your other one? Pascal?
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Yeah, because last time we had this conversation, you were like, it's not the worst thing he could have done. You were kind of siding with the Pope.
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God, I hope someone says that about me one day. That was a beautiful description. I'm begging anyone listening to this, take notes. Oh my God. I have to be childish and petty. And I have to ask, were you there for Morgan Wallace walking off stage? Yeah. Did you have an opinion on it?
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Yeah. I'm curious. Where's God's country for you?
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Say that. Wait, Hunter, what did the guy, your driver?
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Did you ever have a favorite celebrity host, someone that you think just like took it, did the best job?
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Sorry. I'm like, this is our plight. Oh my God. We're black, gay, and we're 5'4". There's a community for us, I swear. And Tauruses. Can't forget that. And Tauruses. Wait, we need to link and build. Hold on. I'm on my way to Rhode Island. Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, Kim Kardashian, Libras, by the way, are usually really lovely to work with. Oh no, I can't stand no Libra. Oh.
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Wait, why is religion like actually so very stunty, very queer, very performance art, very theater, if you will. Beautiful gowns.
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I do identify, especially in this relationship dynamic with Hunter and I, of being like, anytime Hunter's like too accommodating or nice, I'm like, what is, who took your phone? What's going on? Like, all we do is gossip and talk shit to each other. Like, what the fuck is happening here?
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Yeah. That's how I know you know me. I'm like, wait, hold on. If we're close, that means we're dragging each other through it.
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Why do you think I love going to church so much when I do go? For the gossip and the drag. Yeah. Of course.
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No, it was personal. Just a moment of peace. We're here for therapy. Can you tell us about gay and ghetto? And can you tell us your thoughts on some things that are gay and some things that are ghetto?
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Of course. But R.I.P. I forgot he died already.
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Like, then you'll get it. Then you'll get this stuff. We want to do a quick rapid fire game with you to close this out to decide what's gay or what's ghetto. Oh. Are you ready? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. You're locked in. First, U-hauling.
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Yeah, depending on where you are, depending on what neighborhood you're in. Okay, tattoos.
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Okay. And last but not least, gay or ghetto, being bi-coastal.
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But very gay. Maybe even bisexual, some might say.
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Let's lower the voice on that one. Thank you, Punky, so much for coming on and low-key dragging us a little bit. We needed that, especially her. We can't thank you enough. Y'all don't play no games.
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Hmm. Well, let me say this. We love to have you on. And where can people follow your work?
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Well, we can't wait to see it. Thank you so much. Awesome. Thank you for coming on the show.
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Please, please do. Please. We have more kiki-ing to do, especially about Leo's.
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Yeah. Many such cases of people who are, yeah, maybe a little woke, a little religious, and also using the F slur religiously as well. We can hold both things. Who are you talking about? Who are you talking about?
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
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Sure, but I was focused on something else. Charli XCX? No, I'm an adult and I'm black. Megan Thee Stallion and Victoria Monet are possibly the most lesbian bisexuals I have ever seen in my entire life. Megan Thee Stallion biting the shit out of her lip as Victoria Monet bumps and grinds on her leg. I said, oh. Well, I mean, I'm a bottom. What do you need? I'm around. I'll be by. What do you want?
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I'll do it. Like, that's what I was locked in on. Megan Thee Stallion having the most lesbian set in Coachella existence. Queen Latifah coming out. Oh, my God. The hits. That's where I was. Where were you in Coachella? Yeah.
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Well, he needs some other things before he's a headliner.
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Okay, so many things to unpack there. Charli XCX with a sash was funny. I think it wasn't that deep. I think we all spend too much time online.
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It's on brand. No, I know. I don't think it's like that deep. Yeah. And I think Green Day though, the, what's his name, wore a brat hat. the following weekend. The girls are fine. Let's let it be what it is. I heard declaring Brad Summer is over. First of all, thank God. I'm tired. Okay. Put down the cocaine. Get out of Bushwick. Everyone, nine to five.
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I didn't stretch before I reached, but I did reach.
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Wait, no, I have an Ariana Grande version, actually. That's what I'm talking about. The remix. Yeah. Oh, I thought you were talking about the original. No. I love the Brat album, but I do think it is time we as a collective move on. The capitalism behind it has run its course. Watching people weep as Charli XCX performed Party For You. I get that. I needed that, actually.
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Girl, that's you, not me. If grad summer is over, what's the next summer? Junior year English class.
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I wasn't paying attention. Look at me now. My English teacher, Miss Tanu can confirm. She was like, Peyton was not present.
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Because it was a beautiful spring day. You would never believe. Yesterday.
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What was he doing? It's scary. I know. Someone's hexing you. I know. I will say the video I saw, speaking of Charlie XCX, was Addison Rae performing, unfortunately, with the mic on. And like, you know, that's my sister. It's my sister. It's my sister. Yeah. Yeah. But I like her better when the mic is off.
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besides the scream sometimes mics need to be off and i i think that's true and that's okay and we crucified ashley simpson for no reason we owe her an apology but she was doing the right thing sometimes it's fine to just do your little dance be cute girl and keep the mic off and just keep that for the studio you know anyway that was a tough thing to witness peyton yeah did we just make it through an entire conversation about coachella without you talking about how you've been 50 11 times i
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Yeah, it was really awesome, actually. I was there for the Beyonce performance, and then I was there for the Tupac hologram performance. Some kind of iconic years, but, you know.
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That's the weather. That's the temp. Yeah, no, the temperature outside right now in New York is like, should we get a bottle? You know what I mean? It's like, we're going to do more than these two glasses. And financially, I think we should just get the bottle. It's that kind of weather.
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Yes. Yes, I saw our sisters. Okay. Our sisters in divorce. We love them. And on that note, cut the cameras, don't ask. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
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Is this somehow an episode of heaven, hell, Christianity, religion? No, no, it's not. Never mind. Okay. Hunter's looking at me like, stop.
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Again, back in it. I saw Cabaret. I went to SNL. And then most recently, I saw All Nighter play, which kind of reminds me of Emerson College.
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On Tylenol? You're so, you were raising the church. Like, I can't mix Tylenol and alcohol.
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Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space. To talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Oh, let me say this. Let me say this.
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Okay, lock in, all right? Because we're talking season two of The Last of Us, first two episodes. Spoiler alert ahead. If you haven't watched those episodes yet, skip like 15 minutes. We'll see you soon on the other side.
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Season two takes place five years later and shows Joel and Ellie, quote, drawn into conflict with each other and a world even more dangerous and unpredictable than the one they left behind. It also shows Ellie a lot more butch, baby. I said, all right, it does get better. Go ahead. Go ahead now. I guess Joel's looking a little more butch, too. But, Hunter, you locked in. You pressed play.
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You came into the chat with your chest, so I'm curious your big feelings.
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Wait, that's funny that that's you. I'm so like the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
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I am curious. I'm just not involved. But I want to go, before we get too far into season two, what was your feeling about season one of The Last of Us? Were you immediately hooked? Were you loving it? Or did you kind of, was it a slow burn for you?
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Yeah. Hunter was like, oh, it's allergies. And I was like, I don't know, girl. They kind of got your ass. But you missed, I will say, we're going to go again. I see that for us. I know that for us. And don't worry because the musical guest was Lizzo. Yep. Yep. And when I saw her come out in a shirt that said terrified, as in like tariffs.
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Okay, we gave a little too much gas, both inside the community and outside the community, to that Nick Offerman episode of the two gay lovers. Everyone's like, this is the most heart-wrenching episode that's ever aired on TV. Was it? Or are you just trying to be an ally? Because that's what it sounds like. To me. And now it's been said. It smells like bitch in here. No, I'm kidding.
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But I was just like, the funny thing was I was late to The Last of Us. Yeah. Like I wasn't watching it live. Many such cases. And by the time I caught up, I was like the Henry episode is sitting right there. Yeah. That heart. When I tell you I scream cried, when I tell you I called my mother. Yeah. I called my mom. Called Alicia Keys. Nepo baby.
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And that episode was really one of the best episodes of television. Some incredible, incredible acting there. So I said, well, what the hell? Nick Offerman played gay and everyone stood up.
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No one's ever straight, especially in a zombie apocalypse. Let me tell you that. It's equal opportunity in those waters.
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Something I couldn't agree more, and I think this season especially does it so much so with Ellie and her queerness in a way that I bet is really exciting for Bella Ramsey, someone who is non-binary, someone who is queer themselves, that gets to explore that in a really fun and dynamic way. But something I have to ask about, episode two, this is a spoiler, okay, blah, blah, blah.
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You pay rent there. Are you kidding? I do not. But you're not playing the games. You're not playing those games.
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terrified no and actually that might be the worst part of the tariffs is that I gave Lizzo an excuse to wear a graphic tee I mean my goodness we're all grown it pissed me off that I was sitting in there being like you really never see things like this was my first time at SNL I never been before I've always wanted to go and I didn't think it would be as cool as it really was until seeing Lizzo come out in a terrified shirt and then right after a like black women were right it was very like women's march we went back there we went back there with that t-shirt both of them in fact but
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No, she was serious. She stood on business. I know. Literally, she curb stomped on business. Like, my God.
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going to be around town. I was cracking up though because Michael QB, our friend, had told me that a lot of people were upset in the casting of Caitlin. And I was like, oh my gosh, she's such a good actress. Like, why? And I guess in the game, the character is supposed to be pretty butch. And I Michael showed me a photo. I'm like, well, you know, she, she looks like she did a few pushups.
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She looks like she's got a little trainer. She got money. But Michael pulls up that photo. When I tell you it is the butchest white woman I've ever seen. I said, okay, yeah, they're allowed to be a little bit upset with that one.
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Caitlyn is all of this big, but I mean, I think she did a great job and is doing a great job in this role, but I was cracking up at like the butchest woman in America now being played by Caitlyn Dever.
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Speaking about big bitches, that giant ass mushroom storming the Capitol. Oh, the bloater. Yes. Oh. Speaking of holding my purse closed.
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Oh, wait. And then Young Man Zeno was the one in Beef, right? Yeah. Oh, fine as fuck. Fine as hell. Fuck as fuck. There's a moment for that. There's also, obviously, mother, Catherine O'Hara. And then, you know who I am loving and maybe just loving to look at? Tati? Gabriel, I think her name is. She's in that show, the Sabrina show, I think. I didn't watch that.
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One day I'm going to get got. One day I'm going to get got and that's all right. Speaking of being gay though, in like a sincere way for once, for once, it won't happen again. I love Bella Ramsey and Pedro Pascal's both on screen and off screen relationship. Like I really, I felt sold into this show because of their casting and because of their dynamic with each other.
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And then I felt like I stayed and anchored in it because of not just the way they that their chemistry builds on screen, but how they talk about each other in interviews and like how much adoration they have for one another. And I think like Pedro Pascal in general is, I mean, ally for what we know now, but like the way he talks, he don't play about Bella and he don't play about his sister Lux.
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Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to exclusive bonus episodes of Let Me Say This. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Cut to me lost in the rain in Hempstead, New York, and I look up to see Hunter filming me, bust down, broken, no umbrella. You were in a bad place.
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That's a crazy thing to say live on a podcast. Everyone else, it's like kind of an L for me. The guy that gets pissed on, who doesn't have a home. Javardi's hot mom before Javardi, honestly. And then Santos, dead last. Dr. Sanchez gets up on my last nerve. I hate a curmudgeon-y bitch for no reason. Look around. Everyone's going through everything. You're not special. I'm like, keep it.
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I didn't want to. I didn't need it. What about you?
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The bridge of that nose. Ooh. The bridge of that nose.
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I'm imagining someone asking you to watch Elf with them and just seeing what your reaction would be.
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And a writer on the track, too. But I will say Neo is one of those people that you look at and you can tell he's in a polycule. You know what I mean? It's like you could smell it in the air. How dare you say that about your LGBTQIA plus brother? I don't claim that. Call me in June. We'll see that.
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She was one that Santos dropped the knife in her foot and they had a little like sexual maybe tension or they just.
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Oh, interesting. Again, I told you, I don't stand on business. So, yeah. They kind of like, you know.
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Why Idris Elba in all of it?
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He's still a medical professional. I don't want to be so mean. Wow, I didn't know she was British. She was on that Star Trek show that I did watch. I hated her in that too. Sorry. Oh, wow. Maybe I'm just a hater of the actors.
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Did you do that? No, you wouldn't get near an illegal firecracker.
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He's not even like, he's just a hoe. He's just selfish. Like, he's just, come on. Oh, but good for those girls. You better look in the mirror. Oh. Like I said, don't piss me off. I'm just coming out of my Hunter attitude era. I understood. I was walking through that rain understanding all of like Hunter's woes.
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Where would you want to see them in a future season? What do you mean? Where would I want to see them? Oh, like what instance? Like 4th of July or like Christmas?
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Yeah. I love Thanksgiving. What can I say? I'm just imagining the pit responding to like that bear episode. Oh, Hunter hated that episode.
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Wait, were you an RA at Little Building ever? Or just Piano Row?
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There's a house of whores over there in that hung up chat. Let me log in, in fact. Yeah, let me log in. Okay, what did you say? Did you respond to it? I said Hunter Yvonne Harris. Oh my God. As a woman of God, I can't participate in that kind of conversation. I already said you know what he's going to do. Listen to some Mary J. Blige. Smoked a cigarette. And that's what he needs. Yeah.
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Oh, my Lord. Well, actually, quick question for you. Do you think Dana's done?
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Okay, but next season? Okay, he needs a black queen. Okay, he needs us, if you will. HBO Max.
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And I would like to see it. I would like to see it, actually.
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Mess. Mess. And God, we love mess.
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Somebody's mess out there will do it for you. You'll get your fix.
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That's sweet of you. We have a question for you. Oh, yes, everyone. Are you a lover or a hater?
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It's a safe space for hate.
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Okay. That's too much.
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So we're going to get therapy for both of you, and then we will find our way. Here we go.
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We have an important follow-up question, which is, are you a lover or hater of messy people? I love them.
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No pens in sight. No pens in sight.
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Well, that's kind of beautiful and freeing, actually. You're a liberated woman. If it's meant to be, it'll be, you know, it's just flowing out of me. And that's the artist's way. Think about that.
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And do remind me what sign you both are. Is there a Libra in the mix on one of you?
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Right. Heard. Respect your people. Sydney? Right. Yeah. Nobody's taking notes, by the way. Nobody. That's exactly what that means. I actually have a question for both of you to answer, which is what would you say the messiest thing is about each other?
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Hunter saw my eye kind of twitch and Hunter was like, God forbid a bitch be ghetto, okay? She said, Peyton, don't you, the LA, don't you dare. Because I was fixing my mouth to say something disrespectful.
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You said, am I my sister's keeper?
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Oh, we got to call you to the red table, my love. We got to work some things out. Wait, what about y'all?
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Oh my God, I'm so Sydney. Let me lean in. We are set. And you are so Marie. Are you kidding? What? I am so Cindy in a way that I will... I mean, you are thoughtful, but I low-key kind of play in everyone's face. I'm like, hey, hi, girl.
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I was looking for a photo of my brother and Hunter found it within 10 seconds in her phone. A photo of my brother from 10 years ago that Hunter was like, oh, I have that. Here you go. Oh, that's Sydney. That's Sydney for sure.
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Of him coaching? Yes, of him coaching.
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Yes. Okay, I see what you're doing.
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And I am a Libra Moon, so I just really be in my own orbit. Yeah. Sometimes.
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We were like, oh, what's happening right now that would be messy? This morning we wake up, we said, oh, we know what we're going to talk about.
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That shows you the demographic of the people on the trip. Not even real Katie Katz, okay? But did you guys specifically see the video of Gayle King just dragging her feet? She did not want to be there. She did not want to be there. She said, y'all throwing my black ass up in this. Oh, Lord.
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She's so annoying. Katie Katz are down one billion.
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You could have jumped some rope, came back down. Like, what the hell?
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I don't even want her to represent women. It's like, I don't even want that. We saw what she did when she was- I'm all set. Offered the chance.
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Women's world, if you will.
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Ooh, it's Hunger Games-y a little bit then.
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Not even Omarosa? Like, come on. Send Omarosa to space. And you can see that on Gayle's face. She's like, there must have been somebody else. How the hell did I end up here? How the hell? It's very like the ghetto.
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Okay, to take us out, we have to ask, honestly, because Sydney, you told that perfect story at Hunter's Reading, but we're curious, what do you think the messiest piece of celebrity lore is?
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Because one wish went platinum in my house. Hmm. Oh yeah. Great song. If I had one wish.
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I was like, oh, that. And have her backup vocalist basically sing the rest of the song. Yeah, yeah. But I love some Mary J. Blige. You know, my favorite part, my highlight reel of the Mary J. Blige concert, boot cam. Oh, boot cam.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our health care system.
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So this week, Bon Iver, Justin Vernon, if you will, government name, released a new album. Yeah, it's been a minute. Called Sable Fable. And I'm going to say something that's about to piss Hunter off. Ooh, I'm so excited. I listened to this album and you know what I said? You know what I said?
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I said, Bon Iver did the artist's way. And I know he did too. I said, oh, he's cracked open.
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You did piss me off.
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No, I'll be pressing play on every Bon Iver album. I don't give a fuck. And I specifically came to that listening hot. Off of my first Reiki healing session.
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You were looking different. It was that part of the breakup, that chapter.
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Where you book a Reiki session because you're shaking. And then you chase that with a bonnie bear listening. And, woo. Feelings were raw. Yeah. Feelings were raw. No, I threw out the hardest way. I said, that's all I needed to do, actually.
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If I can convince Hunter to do Reiki, that tells you one. Okay, so we're doing a wellness check. Well, in the best way, actually. Yeah, that's how bad things work.
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Yeah. Great. And if you haven't listened yet, do Reiki right before or do Reiki right after.
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Maybe it's calling to me like the Green Goblin mask. I've convinced now six people and counting. Sarah Hagee is my latest victim, if you will. So you're welcome to the big artist's way.
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Absolutely couldn't agree more. It feels like breathing. It feels like walking. It's a great album to bike or walk to. It feels like such a release and it feels like... really cathartic to listen to. The song, those are all my faves as well, but I also really love short story. Yeah. January ain't the whole world is like, let me tell you about my January.
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I won't actually, that's private, but it's like, this is like, yeah, it just felt like such a big release and like so many of the songs and the lyrics like speak to what I believe he seems to be going through, which is like forgiveness and like thinking about where he is in his life and in the world now. And like, allowing himself, like, forgiveness.
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And she was wearing these like Grinch boots that night. Big, green, bright fur. One thing about Mary, she's not going to be walking in those boots. I know her feet were hurting. I love the way she's like, like that's her like main move. The marking choreo was...
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I always thought he was hot. Well, that's not true. That's a lie.
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No, I'm watching this press tour a little closer. I'm like, okay, I'm seeing, I'm picking up what you're putting down. He is hot.
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Thank you so much, actually. Yeah. This album is something that's like, it's perfectly primed for someone like me, Artists Way, Heart Open, Libra Moon, of course. But then you know it's serious when on Hunter's close friend story, Bon Iver is blasting in the background I said, yeah, my sister's going through it. Yeah.
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You weren't even talking about that. You were just talking about something and then it was going off in the background. So I was like, oh, she's not even, this is now her conscience.
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You should press play right now. Oh my gosh. Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
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Anyone? Dr. Ravi? Dr. Abbott? And I have to stop watching Bon Iver press tours thinking, put me in coach.
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Yeah. Alvin Ailey, if you will.
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Oh, my gosh. Mary J. Blige, famous graduate. Her, but I'm sorry, her laid out on the ground singing. But do you remember after, she was laid out in a way that kind of was like, something looks like it hurts. Yeah. And then it cut. She was like getting low to the ground. I was like, dang.
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But it cut out for a second and the DJ started playing again after she was laid out like that. And then it took a little too long and then we went back to her. So all is well.
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What is that supposed to mean? Because when you have an attitude... I was there on time, and I was there, and I knew where to go.
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A queen, mother, to many, to me, to us. Oh, she is nasty. She is one of the nastiest celebrities I've ever met.
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And I will right now on this podcast. Mother, but nasty. It reminds me, I have to tell this story, not the one of my experience where she was kind of just absolutely diabolical in the rain on set. Maybe it's the weather that does that to her.
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But you know that interview where Pink is talking about meeting Mary J. Blige, knocks on her trailer, and she's like, hey, Mary, I would love if maybe we could do it. Mary, no, immediately. No, but thank you. Get out. And Pink was like, and that's her right. And period. And like, that's actually exactly how that interaction needed to go. Pink trying to position you for a duet.
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Yeah, we'll be doing that with our chest, don't you worry. And we are joined by Sydney Washington and Marie Faustin to discuss one of our favorite topics, mess. Mm, mess. So let me say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinion? Are you a hater first, but a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no.
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We're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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It's time you log in. Okay. We have been for weeks. Every Thursday, in fact. We're in the trenches. With who? Our people at the pit. Spoiler alert ahead. Go forward maybe like 15 minutes because we will be talking about the finale and we will be spoiling everything. So there you go. Go forward.
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You and Dr. Langdon too, but more on that in a minute. Which, speaking of, okay, so quick little summary of what went down in the finale and where we are now at The Pit. Yeah. Hour 15, 9 p.m. Dr. Langdon, who was asked to leave because of some drug abuse situations, comes back. Allegedly. Thank you for that, actually. Yeah, allegedly.
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I think we can round up, but... He comes back in the nick of time to help out during a mass shooting. And then him and Dr. Robbie end up having a little bit of a showdown. Yeah. He's like, you're doing drugs. He's like, well, you're crying, bitch.
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I don't know. Lately, they've been really letting me down. No, she really did try my patience. The lesbians love her, though, for some reason. But we'll circle back to that. Yeah. Speaking of lesbians, Dr. Ellis. Oh, she was a black doctor? Yes. Oh, my God. She was so hot. She was amazing. She was a kind of chapsticky stud. Oh, my word. What is chapsticky? It's like you're not like femme.
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We really went through it to get to it. I'll tell you that.
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You're not like masc. You're like a little bit in between, like a soft masc. We should all be chapsticky, I think. You're in a ballet flat. Shut the fuck up. What you got to know about a chapstick lesbian?
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Anyway, we're introduced to Dr. Ellis. She takes over. She's Night Shift. So hoping that season two gives us a little bit more of her. Night Shift sounds like a Phoebe Bridgers song. It's a Lucy Dacus song.
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Me on FaceTime with security trying to find my way through this.
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But speaking about being through more than Mary J. Blige, Dana. My girl is tired. She held it down. That clip in her hair. Tight.
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I'm honoring her right now. You really are. I'm wearing a clip in my hair to honor Dana.
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And then we have a little moment of my man and your man, Armin. Dr. Robbie, Dr. Abbott. I love the way that we link and build.
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I said, I got this one. You got this one. I'll tag you.
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And the Emmy goes to Dr. Robby. Dr. Rabinovich. Rabinovich. Oh, my God. The honor of my life, by the way, I think the highest form of flattery is when you make a TikTok and someone turns it into a fan cam. Oh, serotonin straight to my veins. Ketamine straight to my veins. Just what the doctor ordered. Literally. I did like a, I'm sick. I am sick, Dr. Robbie. Come fix me.
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Anyway, that changed my life. Nothing to do with the show, but it has everything to do with my ego.
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Because I'm having a mental breakdown every second.
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Me going through my breakup, Hunter patting me on the back, being like, let's go walk with me. We come on. We got to get our steps. We got to go, girl.
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Yeah. I mean, I thought every episode was interesting. Like every episode had a, even if it was a smaller storyline, like something that really captivated me. Like I totally forgot about that.
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It is really crazy that I do be watching the show thinking that I'm live at the pit. Like I'm like, I'm on the clock. I'm working. I'm stressed. Like my shoulders are up here watching the show.
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Okay. Say less. Number one. From best to worst. Best to worst, of course. Number one, number one. Dana. Of course. I love a woman in charge. That's why you love me. You know, I was putting something lesbian down and you picked it up. And I said, put that back, Hunter. Get your hands off that. Dr. Robbie. Dr. Ellis.
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A little higher maybe than it should be, but I'm, again, putting something lesbian down. Those Gossip Girl nurses. Oh, yes.
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Yes. Again. Yes. And then Dr. Abbott. Oh, Myrna. Where'd my sister go? No, she came back at the end. Myrna, Myrna, Myrna.
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Hunter said, so you want to fuck him? And we're kind of, and that's how we pivot to the three women.
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Carrie Coon monologue, I hear she has a great one in Leftovers. I got a lot of watching to do. Many such cases. And you got a lot of sub-sac writing to do, because I would read that too, actually. But I loved that performance, and I loved the feeling that I got, which was like, yeah, they're actually all... kind of pieces of shit white woman in this very distinct way.
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And even Carrie Coon, who you find yourself siding with for a second as like, you know, the one being real. At the end of the day, like she also fucking sucks. And this friendship is like exactly what someone like her needs to survive on. Like this is actually what works for her. She's like comfortable in the chaos and the like aloof dynamic that they've created within each other.
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Which is, I mean, again, as someone who's done the artist way. I can't relate to that. We're going deep over here. But I... We're just going to go deep one day. She's in the kiddie pool, but we're going to dive her in. We need a supercar of you plugging the artist's way.
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First timer. I will say most of our, what, 48 hours are spent inside a Hyatt Regency, so it's like we can't give of a full evaluation of Chicago. I was looking for a coffee shop, like mom and pop, something. There's only like four Starbucks in the vicinity of where we were staying. I finally found one. It was like a hybrid of a hair salon and a coffee shop. That's a warning sign, by the way.
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Yeah. And, you know, I was thinking about who my favorite was of the group because originally it was Carrie. And at the end of the day, I'm with Leslie Bob. Yeah.
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Leslie Bob, Leslie Bob, as we call her in the community. I love and I said this about you. I'm the Leslie Bob of every friend.
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You're like, so it wasn't like that serious. We're just talking shit. Like, relax. Like, what the fuck? We're just sharing notes like this isn't actually like we're bringing people to the table. Right.
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And what a note to end on. Lovers lost. Haters lost the ambis and lovers lost at the White Lotus because... That joint death of forehead and teeth. I always forget their names. Amy Lou Wood and Walter Goggins. It's funny that you say forehead and teeth and it could be either way. Whose teeth? Me. Oh, because you're a tooth gem. I never wore my retainers. No.
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But I... The scene of them and the dramatic lighting and shot of her running into his arms, I said, that's for real lovers. Love does win, and this is an example of it. I think that it was a nice closer to also the kind of poetic and incredibly toxic relationship dynamic that they had.
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You know, girls with big hearts, sometimes you got to close them actually in order to survive.
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I feel like you didn't know that man. All tea, no shade. Like, oh, the dad. All this vengeance for a father figure who probably. Have you seen fathers these days? Have you seen what dads are up to?
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Probably was better off. I don't know. Men don't think things through.
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I thought it was like intrigue. I get there. First of all, they were closed on Monday. I finally go on Tuesday. And I'm like, oh, is this a coffee shop or just a hair salon? They're like, oh, yeah, it's both. Like, we do both, girl. And then I said, okay, well, how do I get a cup of coffee? And they're like, oh, the barista's running late. I don't know when she's going to be here.
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Yeah. And Zion is hot. Yeah. Too pretty to me. You know, I like a man with four headlines.
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That too. Yeah. It's like lesbians, women, or Walter Goggins and nothing in between. Fuck. for me. That's my love language. That's my sexuality.
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What do you mean you think Belinda turned into Tanya? What do you mean? Okay, wait. I do have to ask to close out. Who do we want to see on the next season and where should the next destination be?
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Okay. Work. I actually really want to see them in a city. I want to see them in like Portugal or Berlin. I want to see like a bunch of rich people in Berghain, like navigating what that looks like. I want to see something like a little bit less tropical. Rich people go to cities too.
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I feel like I want, after this season especially, I want more friendship stuff. I want like Marnie Shosh. I need a Marnie. I need a Shosh involved. That's what I need. Or, I don't know. You said this name earlier. Now I'm like, wait. What if Chet Hanks got his little ass on? I watched one episode of that new show he's on on Netflix.
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Not the barista running late. It was 10 a.m. Was it a white hair salon? Black. Of course it was black.
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Crazy man, talented actor. Many such cases. Yeah, yeah. Only that. That's the only case. A crazy man, talented actor. That's it.
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We listened and we learned. Okay. So we were going through the comments on Spotify, which by the way, love the comment feature on Spotify. And we saw a few requests that said, Peyton Hunter, please watch Temptation Island and report back. It's kind of like the come to Brazil of reality TV. Come to Temptation Island. Absolutely. And we visited. I visited. Hunter's on her way to visiting.
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Her flight was delayed. But... Wow. Spoiler alerts ahead, even though I think it's been out for a minute, but, you know, just in case. Set the scene for me. Okay. What will I encounter? Oh, what won't you encounter, honestly, in this place? Quick history. Originally, this show aired on Fox in 2001.
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I think it ran for about three seasons, and now it got picked back up, and it's on Netflix starting this year, 2025.
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Temptation Island follows couples facing relationship challenges who travel to a tropical paradise separated from each other to live with a group of singles of the opposite sex and test the strength of their relationships, ultimately deciding whether to stay together or explore new connections. So basically White Lotus. Right. And just so you know, everyone explores new connections.
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There's no option on the table to not explore new connections except for one girl who does bring a, hey, Bible with her. You brought a Bible to Temptation Island.
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And I ask thee above us the hate in her heart if it can be quelled for once. End call. I'll be right back. The moment I locked into this show was when I saw a line of girls in red bikinis. They had little robes over. All at the same time, opened their robes. One girl walks over, looks to camera and says, my guilty pleasure, sucking dick.
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I said, oh, you're the realest bitch that's ever... And that is true in the show. She followed suit on that. Like, she really... What? Her guilty pleasure is sucking and fucking.
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You've brought the Bible here with you today. Wow. That's sacred text there. But that is what made me say this is the show for me. Just a little bit more set up. There are, I think about For couples. And when I tell you every single couple, they describe to the host who's like some guy named Mark who runs, he does the, what's that traveling show where they sell trinkets? Amazing Race? Shut up.
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Nobody has a job in Chicago? Are people unemployed in Chicago? What's going on? Again, we might have been in a weird area, and the one time we left, which was on that highway-
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The Antique Roadshow. He's a host of Antique Roadshow and also Temptation Island. What did she say? Antique Roadshow?
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This was information that was clearly passed to me because I'm stuttering as I say antique road show. I thought that was like all one word. Antique road show? Antique road show. You're not familiar? And so it's truly some old guy named Mark. Shout out to him, I guess.
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And they're talking about their relationships and the couples are saying, yeah, so like we had to work through some career stuff and he cheated. Yeah, you know, we have to figure out where we're going to live and how we're going to work together. And he cheated. It's like, so there's a common denominator. And I'm going to say it's going to be men. It is men. Yeah. Let's say men. Yeah.
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And they said, to work on our problems, I'm going to go to this little town where you can also, every week they check in, or maybe every day, I don't know how often it's filmed, and they see what their partners are up to.
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And, you know, I'm curious as a woman of God to another woman of God, there is a character in this because that's what he is, a character who is giving this woman like an oily massage, talking about his values and non-negotiables. And he does say, like, you have to be Christian. You have to be a woman of faith for sure. But you also have to be open to threesomes.
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There's also just many men that cheat in the church, so I guess there's also. Oof. Yeah. Oh, wow. You took it there. I watched Real Housewives of the Potomac. I heard. I heard. Shout out to Giselle. It's really just, I can't wait. We have to come back to this eventually.
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I haven't finished, by the way, so I know that they have the option at the end to decide if they want to reconnect or leave together after watching, simply, it's a torture chamber for the women because they're just watching their man. Well, many such cases.
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I would say like average is around a year. There's one couple that's been together for about three years. And they're the only ones that are mildly respecting each other. So if you went on this show, would you be like, want to explore a new connection? Or would you be like... If I'm going on that show, I'm cheating. Yeah, obviously. I'm getting ran through, in fact.
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In fact, I'm looking at these women being like, get up, girl. Go ride that dick into the sunset. It's pissing me off watching all these men like dry hump all over. Not even dry hump. I'm at my most like Chloe Bailey, like cheat back. Get your lick back, please. Like... Hello, sorry. Ladies of Temptation Island, if you're still in line to fuck, please God do.
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Like, I'm like, don't let these men get over you. It's really, it's unbearable. I will say there are some beautiful lines and I'm watching the show being like, oh, AI can never write this. When this, the ugliest man in the world... Tall and ugly. Many such cases, by the way. Don't get got, girls. If I'm gonna date a man, it's like, I like you where I can see you. Right in my line of vision.
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Short king, Tom Holland. Anyway, he says, shout out to the short kings. There's a time and place for you, but this ain't it. And it's like this crazy bar moment. And I'm like,
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There is a time and place for short people. I know that.
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Beautiful, actually. Okay, tell me about this guitar moment. Grant is, have you heard of the devil? Right, so that's Grant. That's Grant on Temptation Island. Just kind of the worst man in the world. White, of course. And also mid, of course.
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Yes. He's like, we just got back from Chicago, Peyton. Wow. So Grant cheats on his partner who, like, loves him for some reason. Yeah. And like not just casually cheats, like he dicks this girl down and then he decides that he wants to be open to new connections right after cheating and he regrets everything.
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I'm saying that. I know. I know. It's a drunk old fuck. But then when he decides to have this conversation with the girl he's cheating with, they cut to him strumming a guitar. And he's just like, isn't it crazy when life comes at you? It's like the same kind of lyrics like that Britney Broski song. It's like the same kind of. I wouldn't know. Sarah made me listen. It was pretty unbearable.
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But it's very Love Island, very Couple Falls Out, very Sunset. What's that show called?
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It's very that music. And he's singing about what he's about to tell her. And she comes over. She's like, hey, what's up? He finishes the chorus. He's like, I'm not done yet. He doesn't speak to her until he's done playing his song. And then turns around and puts the guitar. He's like, we should talk.
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Hot Child in the City, great episode. I know, bring back a politician who just likes piss play, like, at this point. And a sexy one at that. Fine as fuck, I should have stepped up with it. Carrie didn't fuck. Anyway, but these people do. So I guess if I had to compare how it ranks in, you know, we're like an ultimatum, a... Lesbian ultimatum.
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That was an amazing show. Oh, my God, that was an amazing show. I know. Bring it back and let me host. Okay, who's that redhead? That straight redhead. You're not equipped for all that. Oh, is she on the Reba McEntire show? I think she was. Probably. Why do you say it like that? What, you don't like Reba? I do. A single mom who works two jobs. Who loves her kids and never stops.
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That was also epic. Ooh, Hunter's biracial side came out. She didn't know how to finish.
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God forbid I try to be professional. Well, be unprofessional and start watching Temptation Island so we can talk about it more. It's really, thank you to whoever asked us to press play on it. I would say it's like number two for me behind Love is Blind before this most recent season. It's top tier television. And I'm scared for the straight community. Sending you love, sending you hope.
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Finally, maybe this would lead rich and powerful people to acknowledge the barbaric nature of our healthcare system.
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I love, I almost said I love when white women turn black, but maybe that's true. When they do it like that, when you can carry it, when you can hold the weight on your shoulders. Yeah, go ahead.
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Yeah. It's like either like she's back to black or like she's fucking again. And I don't know if it's Ethan Slater. I mean, from the sounds of this, probably not.
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I mean, I feel like I remember where I was when she dropped. Was it Thank U, Next? When she did that surprise album? I was at a party and Michael and I stepped outside, got into a hammock. We were high. And we were like, Ariana's so tapped in. Do you remember when she broke up with Pete and dropped that album?
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We're putting our lesbianism away, right? We're picking up our cultural appropriation.
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But I need to hold space for something big for Hunter. Because one thing about Hunter is when she's hungry, she's going to be a what? Bitch. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to call you out your name for that one because I've seen what I've seen, okay? I've been on the receiving end.
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J's on my feet. So get like me. Bangers is a perfect album. No skips. Oh, my God.
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Something that did, speaking of my sister, my queen, something that pissed me off was when those little pop star emojis dropped and I did not see Miley Cyrus on there. Black or white version of her.
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Well, good. Because I'll say it again. That is not true. Well, obviously, we know that's not true.
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Whisper foreplay. I was like, yeah, whatever. And that's when I pivot from being a lover to a hater.
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Well, that's it for this week. As usual, we are two online, so you don't have to be.
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Due to a man. And you know, that's sage advice for the women of Temptation Island, okay? Get to the nearest airport, get the fuck out of Hawaii, all right? And leave your man behind. Please, God. Well, don't leave him in Hawaii. They don't deserve that.
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Yeah. No, I was setting that up because I was saying I'm so proud of you. Oh, thank you. For acknowledging your needs. Yeah. Hunter, saying this is what's coming up within me and I just want to make space right here and right now.
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And then to not eat for another five hours. I was scared. I was holding my purse close.
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Turns out, Hunter said, nevertheless, she persisted, actually.
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We're saying that in Times Square, so just know that we mean it, okay? Sorry, Chicago.
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Are you a hater first and a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat. But we're not calling you out. No, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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Go back to children's church. Like, my God. Honestly, kind of wish the monkeys did it. The way everything went.
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You didn't even have Addie? I was anti-America from the jump, so. Every black girl had Addie. She was the slave doll. I remember. Okay. Of course she was. They said, ooh, shit. Let's make her a slave, shall we? She was liberated, though, eventually.
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So any white woman's girl trip, for the record. What are you talking about? Don't make me think of Palm Heights. We actually left on bad terms. We're like, move mercy on the plane. Our friendship ended after Palm Heights. Yeah, I actually like, okay, well, let's go through each part. Yeah. Who should we start with? I'm going to start with Guy Talk. Okay.
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I said, I'm paying attention now. If you brought that attitude to White Lotus, we would have been locked in a different kind of way.
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I mean, absolutely. Performance of a lifetime to be boring and not sexy. Well, no, he was so sexy, just like absolutely boring. But let's talk about that. And let's talk about Lisa. You have a whole Lisa from Blackpink in your show and you do zilch, zip, nada with her? Leave the Blackpink girls alone is kind of where I'm at right now. HBO, okay, let them go work on the next album or something.
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And I thought it was like a fun, like small role, but like a good role. Fine. Lisa? I mean, she's just like you for real. You said, we're not going to be taking this seriously and that your pockets better be full. Okay? You need a business plan.
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I just thought it was a throwaway character. Yeah. To be honest. And I just like, I would like to see more of her. And it kind of felt like if you're casting these people, are you, and I'm a Mike White fan, but like, are you capitalizing on what K-pop fandom and culture?
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No, and I do need an Emmy for Parker Posey's. firm thumbs up was so good in that.
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But okay, I was going to say, sure, in terms of the storyline, I thought the performance was bad, though. Of Piper?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, this is so mid that it was almost not believable. I thought she was, for a second, I thought she was putting this on because she was that thwarted by her brother maybe wanting to join her or something. Yeah. So like that performance didn't land for me, even though I think in general the story arc did because that felt very obvious.
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Something I think that they could have done, the wardrobe department could have done more clearly with Piper is make her just a little bit more aspirational to like the bohemian lifestyle. Like her little peplum dresses. You want to see her in some free people. For once, at least anthropology.
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I just felt like I wasn't ever sold that this person was aspiring towards a different kind of lifestyle and ready to give up all of her luxuries in order to tap into her higher self. She's not doing the artist's way. That book is crisp and clean on her bookshelf. I don't know. I love that you have such a specific note to the costume.
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I thought he was a good actor in a way that I was not. I was holding out no hope for him. I didn't see the staircase. Sorry.
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Look out on Substack. I will say Lachlan. Yeah. Kill the twink. Let him die. Why did he come back? I wanted him to die. Sorry, that sounded really serious like I had something against him, but I thought it was a real freak nasty from the jump. And the fact that they even addressed the brotherly hand job of it all and him being like, I'm just a pleaser. I'm just die. Oh, sorry.
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So now it's illegal to be a people pleaser? That's crazy. As a recovering one? Yeah.
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Fuck you, first of all. But I just was... I thought that it would have been either... Two things with that family. Either the twink should have fully died or we should have gotten to see them react to the fact that they're poor now.
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I needed some kind of really good Parker Posey one line. Just something. I felt like everything got buttoned up way too easy. All of a sudden, dad's like... Anyway, we're still a family. Like, kumbaya. Like, we out. It was too clean.
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But what else? And also the fact that he didn't clean the damn blender.
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Yeah, yeah, sorry. Anyway, he should have been dead for just that. For not cleaning a dish. So you wanted the son to die. Yeah. I needed anything, anything to work with. Especially with that family because I felt like so honestly, besides Parker Posey, like bored by them. But you loved Saxon. I didn't say all that. Oh, look at you putting words in my mouth. Oh, I said Patrick was all right.
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Laura Dern feels like she's doing a good thing and, like, really desperately wants to do a good thing, and that's what makes that so tragic. You can feel how much she wants to improve herself and improve everyone else, but she just keeps bucking up against this wall of everyone else's ego. But she's still trying, whereas on the White Lotus, I think this desire to...
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change others is much more out of control and dominance.
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I mean, this is going to sound weird, but I can totally see why it got canceled. Like, it's too good. It's too smart. You had gold in your hands watching this show.
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on Survivor specifically, where people hide if they went to an IV or if they're a psychiatrist or if they're a cop or something like that. Because you always have a target on your back if you have one of these jobs. He did such a good job of being like, oh, I just kind of work in Hollywood. I just work in TV.
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When he's not maybe one of the most astute, I don't know, observationists in working in television, which I would be like, target on your back immediately. You're too good at this game. I think he's so good at like playing sweet, but also playing very cunning, but also not being too cunning, but also being very playful, friendly.
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And I mean, honestly, if you've talked to anyone who's directed actors, that sounds like exactly what you need to do.
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Absolutely. I mean, Survivor, first of all, let me say this. When I... started watching Survivor, I thought it was a show that you watched in the hospital. I thought this was a show that you watched on your deathbed. Plug is about to be pulled and Survivor is just on. I thought it was like daytime TV. But when I started watching this series, I was like, oh my gosh.
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There are so many social dynamics, physical dynamics, of course. But the way that you can start an episode on the bottom and end, not on the top, but at the top of the middle, which is exactly where you want to be. And that's kind of where he rode the
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throughout the entire season, which is perfect because you want to be someone on Survivor who is seen as not a weakness, but also a huge competitor for someone at the very end. You want to be the person they bring along with them, but you also don't want to be someone that it's like, oh, I can cut you easily and not feel like I'm losing a real vote.
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And that I think is that's really the mark of a genius. Honestly, that means more to me than Mensa.
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Enlightened kind of felt like a secret shared amongst the people that I really respected and admired. Like, oh my gosh, have you seen Enlightened? You haven't seen anything until you've seen Enlightened. To call it an office dramedy sounds too reductive, almost, because the show really blossoms and blooms in so many really emotional ways.
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Laura Dern plays this woman who's just teetering on the edge of a breakdown, and she comes back to work after a breakdown. And you see her trying to build new friendships, trying to make her life feel as big on the outside as it does maybe to her internally.
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There's one really incredible scene where Laura Dern has this whole monologue about how she has this renewed sense of empathy for her mother because she acknowledges that her mother was also once a child and that she has to kind of mother both of them in this very prickly, difficult dynamic between the two of them.
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And the fact that Mike White was able to capture that so personally and also so viscerally, like the rage of like, why can't you be the mother I wanted you to be? But also, I'm not the daughter that you wanted probably either. I mean, really, it's like some of the best writing on television I've seen ever.
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Between Enlightened and The White Lotus, you can just see how specific the vision is across any kind of setting. Enlightened kind of feels very far from White Lotus, and yet they both feel like they're made from the same specific brain. That is, you know, the mark of someone who I think is, like, really good at what they do.