Ian Bremmer

And they've told him that historically.

So I think he's loathe to use it.

But I understand that, you know, if that was a 1% likelihood, maybe it's not 30 or 40 right now, but it's not one.

It's five, it's 10, it's 20.

And these are numbers that should be unthinkable and they're not.

Now, I want to say one more thing.

What realist Ian is thinking right now.

Realist Ian is,

remembers Mr. Prigozhin, who you and I have spoken about in the past.

When the head of the Wagner Group, one of the most important advisors to Putin, decided to go on a suicide run and took his senior most trusted troops

and led a column of tanks from the Ukrainian front up to Moscow against Putin.

And I mean, we all knew it was a suicide run.

We all knew there was no way he could end up alive after that.

But what had happened was Prigozhin was put into a corner, into a no-win situation where anything he did meant that he was going to end up in jail or dead.

And what we have to understand is

is that when we're fighting a war between Russia and Ukraine and a proxy war between Russia and NATO, and the stakes are getting higher and Ukraine's own asymmetric capabilities are getting greater,

And Ukraine is absolutely willing.

If they had a shot at Putin, they would take it in a second.

If they had the ability to critically destroy Russia's warfighting capabilities, they would do it in a second.

And NATO is helping them.