Ian Browne

Well said, by the way.

Here's what I would say, guys, is that we all understood a big part of this is starting pitching depth, correct?

Which is important.

Rich is right now.

Barely.

I barely think that matters with Tully.

Okay, so you're starting pitching depth because this is what they're paranoid about, like not having enough.

All right, well, you have Conley early, right?

You have Johan Oviedo.

You have potentially Patrick Sandoval, and this is where I'm going to get to it.

If we had made Patrick Sandoval as a lefty reliever option, which would I rather have?

What I would rather have is Patrick Sandoval as the depth starter and Peyton Tolley not using him as the ninth –

rotation option in terms of depth, but I'd rather have him be your weapon out of the bullpen because I think he could be more of a weapon than Patrick Sandoval for this bullpen.

Yeah, don't you?

I mean, right now you have – this goes back to Gordo's excellent, excellent top-of-mind topic.

which was who's going to get the fifth starter spot?

Johan Oviedo has to be the leader in the clubhouse, right?

Correct?

Yep.

I think so.