Ian Carroll

Weird.

Almost sounds like a few events of the last couple years, you know?

Almost sounds like a few events of the last couple years, you know?

Almost sounds like a few events of the last couple years, you know?

Funny how that—I mean, that's a—I'm really interested in, like, looking for, like, right now with all these new people coming in, Cash and Pam and all the picks, RFK, I'm really enjoying the process of just trying to watch their actions and trying to figure out who's doing what and how much are they going to play to the money and play to the people.

Funny how that—I mean, that's a—I'm really interested in, like, looking for, like, right now with all these new people coming in, Cash and Pam and all the picks, RFK, I'm really enjoying the process of just trying to watch their actions and trying to figure out who's doing what and how much are they going to play to the money and play to the people.

Funny how that—I mean, that's a—I'm really interested in, like, looking for, like, right now with all these new people coming in, Cash and Pam and all the picks, RFK, I'm really enjoying the process of just trying to watch their actions and trying to figure out who's doing what and how much are they going to play to the money and play to the people.

And it's just such a fascinating exercise in journalism of where do you kind of—and how much leeway do you give them? How much grace do you give them?

And it's just such a fascinating exercise in journalism of where do you kind of—and how much leeway do you give them? How much grace do you give them?

And it's just such a fascinating exercise in journalism of where do you kind of—and how much leeway do you give them? How much grace do you give them?

Especially with the Epstein blackmail hanging as a cloud over the entire federal government. I don't think that any of those three are blackmailed, but I don't feel confident that I know that they're not. Let's look at it.

Especially with the Epstein blackmail hanging as a cloud over the entire federal government. I don't think that any of those three are blackmailed, but I don't feel confident that I know that they're not. Let's look at it.

Especially with the Epstein blackmail hanging as a cloud over the entire federal government. I don't think that any of those three are blackmailed, but I don't feel confident that I know that they're not. Let's look at it.

No, blackmail is just, I know something that you don't want out and any level of threatening that it'll get out or, you know.

No, blackmail is just, I know something that you don't want out and any level of threatening that it'll get out or, you know.

No, blackmail is just, I know something that you don't want out and any level of threatening that it'll get out or, you know.

Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Reverse. Yeah. That's the opposite. So that's bribery, I guess. Yeah. Kind of, it's just, yeah, that's deal making. But I think that a lot of Epstein's targets were willing. I think that a lot of them, because I think that we're talking, it's not just Jeffrey Epstein, it's organized crime as a network. Like he's just an employee of organized crime.

Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Reverse. Yeah. That's the opposite. So that's bribery, I guess. Yeah. Kind of, it's just, yeah, that's deal making. But I think that a lot of Epstein's targets were willing. I think that a lot of them, because I think that we're talking, it's not just Jeffrey Epstein, it's organized crime as a network. Like he's just an employee of organized crime.

Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Reverse. Yeah. That's the opposite. So that's bribery, I guess. Yeah. Kind of, it's just, yeah, that's deal making. But I think that a lot of Epstein's targets were willing. I think that a lot of them, because I think that we're talking, it's not just Jeffrey Epstein, it's organized crime as a network. Like he's just an employee of organized crime.

And I think that a lot of those people are basically saying, yeah, I want into the club. Because if you are like a Reid Hoffman, or allegedly, if you're one of those guys and you want more contracts or you want more deals, like allegedly, and let's be clear, just because I say something on Joe's podcast does not mean that Joe fucking agrees with me, CNN. Thank you.