Ian Cherrington

They might start to behave very strange.

Cases I've seen of people who

are pacing up and down, they're very stressed and no one understands why.

Or they might become very withdrawn and secretive and defensive and all these sorts of things.

Obviously, these behaviors in isolation aren't necessarily that meaningful, but if you put it all together, that's when you start to see it.

And then the last part of that is particularly people... So if we talk about Islamist cases where there's this idea of martyrdom, so this idea of jihad or martyrdom where...

the belief that they have is that they're going to heaven if they carry out this action or attack, then they're kind of facing a transition into a different space, right?

Yeah.

But a lot of people are just scared of dying anyway.

I mean, even if they're going to do this, they're still scared.

Yeah.

But they've also got to say goodbye.

They've got to kind of leave people they care about, all their things.

So you might see these sorts of behaviors where people are acting like they're leaving.

They're acting like they're moving to another country.

Yeah, this is sort of indicators or warning signs.

And then the last thing that you notice around the late stages is this idea of leakage behavior.

So this is an academic term that's been used for many years, and it can be direct or indirect.

So someone might actually tell someone that they're going to do it.

Very often it's not like, I'm going to do it next week on this day at this place, because they want to do it.