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Ian Dunning

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301 total appearances

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Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

We can apply very strict controls around this model because it's a well-posed problem.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

We're not taking giant idiosyncratic risks in one name for months at a time.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

We can sleep at night because of this.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

I don't know how you apply the same thinking to like a fundamental long short thing where you have to put a trade on and it's for three months and you're intentionally taking a very large risk in a very certain direction.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

What's the risk management story around the AI if you just give up all control to just the magic prediction?

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

It's definitely hard to find sites at short lead times.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

If I went to the market and said, I want 6,000 Blackwell GPUs in a box somewhere in North America for delivery in Q4,

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

I'm not sure such an offering exists at any reasonable price.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

Maybe someone will give up a lease and I could snag it, but I think if I went to the market and tried to get a quote on that.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

I think if I had power, I could get the chips, Blackwell chips for delivery this year, but I do not think I could get the whole solution.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

And then if you go into 2027 for the next generation of GPUs, the Rubin GPUs, they, at least for the first stretch, are going to be very much sold out.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

And so I think that's a good... Maybe you actually have, on a 2027 delivery, you have more luck finding a data center shell by then.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

But you need to be in queue now for those GPUs if you want them early.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

So those things are in demand.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

I'll say that for sure.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

And...

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

one one of my greatest failures has been uh you know part of my skepticism has been predicting how many gpus we would need and a long enough horizon and it's punishing because it you're constantly playing catch up and uh one of our competitors put out a podcast this weekend and uh they mentioned something along the lines of the fact they they had one data center and it was the data center and that was their data center and then

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

as they're hungry and hungry for more compute, they had to go out and find it wherever they could.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

And I would say we are in exactly the same boat.

Odd Lots
Inside Hudson River Trading's Blistering Token Burn

You just can't be picky.