Ian Dunt

Either taxation or you take it out of another department.

That makes politics really fraught.

Things like prisons people don't really care about.

At least trains they care about.

At least schools and hospitals they care about.

Prisons they don't.

So those areas, those unguarded budgets, just start getting sliced away and cut up until prisons turn into this very chaotic space.

releasing prisoners who were more brutalised than they were when they went in, and your society starts to degrade in pretty significant ways.

And that is where we've ended up.

Extremely severe.

And this we've really had for quite a long time.

This kind of image, the Westminster model, don't the Brits do it very well, very careful lawmaking, it's all complete nonsense.

We write very bad law.

And we write very bad law because we pick very poor people to write it and to scrutinize it.

You look at the selection process for MPs in the UK.

Like I spoke to hundreds of MPs.

And each time you ask them, at any point when you were selected as the candidate, did anyone...

ask you how you're going to scrutinize legislation, which is after all, like we kind of get the job of the MP.

That's their core constitutional function.

Not a single one was able to tell me that anyone had asked them that question at any time.