Ian Dunt

And then people get moved around.

And usually they get moved around just at the point where they've actually developed enough knowledge to understand the subject area that they're ostensibly supposed to be governing.

So, you know, they've had 18 months.

Maybe they've got to grips with something about housing policy and that's the exact point that you move them and get someone in who doesn't know anything again.

And then we sit back after a quarter of a century of crisis in housing and go, my God, no one can afford housing.

Young people are completely alienated from their economy.

They're voting in all sorts of really dramatic ways because they're not invested in the economy, because they're still renting, even though they're now in their 30s, they're going into their 40s.

How extraordinary that people are willing to vote for such vigorous, violent change.

And you think, yeah, because there was a policy problem that you have failed to fix.

because of the inbuilt incentives within the governance system.

It was the same thing this election.

But to be fair to Keir Starmer, for Labour, Labour had lost a thumping, thumping defeat in 2019.

It was the kind of defeat that you're out for two terms, one term to try and fix it, another term to become a voter.

No one was really expecting it to change so quickly to go into government.

Now, you take when Tony Blair got into power, he'd had...

Three terms out of power.

They'd have Neil Kinnock, John Smith, then Tony Blair.

They'd launched all of those inquiries, social justice forums, had years to bake it in to come up with a series of policy proposals.

There's a real enthusiasm going into government then.

You've got stuff you want to do, things you want to change, things you want to improve with the country.