Ian Dunt

And it ends with him, you know, in Auschwitz, sort of saying, this is where many members of my family were killed.

And he says, they were not killed by science.

They were killed by ignorance that comes from certainty, by dogma.

Even today, there's a three-minute clip of it that you can see online, but I hope people watch the full episode.

It's just one of the most profoundly beautiful things, and it shattered me completely.

That process, knock down the house.

Don't just replace the content.

Knock down the house.

I have Jacob Bernofsky to thank for that.

Pretty different.

Not hugely different.

We still had a Labour government at that period.

We had Gordon Brown, who, although he'd really signed up to the kind of Thatcherite orthodoxy in the years leading up to there, had still been educated in Keynesian economics.

He understood what a fiscal stimulus was, which is basically what you've just described.

You know, you've got a crisis of demand in the economy.

People don't want enough stuff.

You've got to stimulate demand by putting money, giving people jobs, building motorways, whatever they'll spend.

They'll buy sandwiches on the way to work.

You get economic activity just running again.

The animal spirits.