Ian Dunt

At no point are you engaged in consensus or pragmatism or trying to understand where other people are coming from or trying to build solutions with others.

You are just engaged in the process of erecting the sturdiest walls for your dogma.

And because I see so much of that around me now, I've become quite grateful that I have those memories and that realization of how it worked when I was a child.

And that makes it almost more of a mental type and a thought process than it does anything ideological.

They need certainty.

There are two ways out of something like Marxism.

Number one, well, basically, you know, the house stands.

So you leave the structure in place, the foundations, but you get rid of all the sofas and the chairs and the tables and the beds and all the content.

And then you get in a whole bunch of new stuff.

You go to IKEA, the ideological IKEA, and you bring in new sofas, but the house stands.

The other way is you smash the house down.

And that's you get rid of the sense of certainty and the emotional need for certainty.

You embrace doubt, the capacity for doubt, the importance of doubt in human affairs and in the advancement of human civilization and in our capacity to think about things and to relate to one another.

And that involves real proper demolition work.

And it's a much scarier prospect when you're a dogmatist than the alternative.

But it gives you the potential to be a real, free, alive human being.

So how were you drawn out of that?

So, I mean, there were a lot of things.

Two of the most important.

One of them was drugs.