Ian Dunt

1970s, that went away?

That's exactly right, yeah.

And there's an episode, it's episode 13, I think, which is called Knowledge and Certainty or Knowledge or Certainty.

You can find the full thing on YouTube.

And I really hope that people do because it's a truly profound and beautiful thing.

And it's about the importance of doubt in human affairs.

It's about the scientific method and why that makes it preferable to dogma, to the assertion of certainty.

He's Jewish.

And it ends with him, you know, in Auschwitz, sort of saying, this is where many members of my family were killed.

And he says, they were not killed by science.

They were killed by ignorance that comes from certainty, by dogma.

Even today, there's a three-minute clip of it that you can see online, but I hope people watch the full episode.

It's just one of the most profoundly beautiful things, and it shattered me completely.

That process, knock down the house.

Don't just replace the content.

Knock down the house.

I have Jacob Bernofsky to thank for that.

Pretty different.

Not hugely different.

We still had a Labour government at that period.