Ian Dunt

And Jenrick is many times worse than she is on any kind of level, including moral and presentational. So cleverly is the biggest threat. The thing is, I think that's quite helpful. If the Tories... It's basically like, I think, what happened to Labour under Corbyn. The Tories just went completely mad. They just become everything.

And Jenrick is many times worse than she is on any kind of level, including moral and presentational. So cleverly is the biggest threat. The thing is, I think that's quite helpful. If the Tories... It's basically like, I think, what happened to Labour under Corbyn. The Tories just went completely mad. They just become everything.

They become their own government, their own opposition, the only ecosystem in which they need to reflect. And they just went straight off the reservation. I think you can... Look at how much of an easier time Starmer was having during the Tory party conference than he was during the Labour party conference, right?

They become their own government, their own opposition, the only ecosystem in which they need to reflect. And they just went straight off the reservation. I think you can... Look at how much of an easier time Starmer was having during the Tory party conference than he was during the Labour party conference, right?

Like, as long as the Tories are part of that conversation, as long as they're halfway sensible, you will actually maintain some kind of criticism of their ideas. You have something to define yourself against. You can keep your MPs more on side. It's generally an easier life for him. And to add to that, there is this weird dynamic that the more sensible the candidate you pick electorally is,

Like, as long as the Tories are part of that conversation, as long as they're halfway sensible, you will actually maintain some kind of criticism of their ideas. You have something to define yourself against. You can keep your MPs more on side. It's generally an easier life for him. And to add to that, there is this weird dynamic that the more sensible the candidate you pick electorally is,

the harder time it's going to be. Because if Cleverley's there, you'll probably get a bunch of conservatives decide, you know what, we want to go to reform. I want the full fat version. I want the raw meat version. That's a whole nightmare for you to try and grapple with and deal with. So even in the Tories' best case scenario, they are about to enter a world of pain.

the harder time it's going to be. Because if Cleverley's there, you'll probably get a bunch of conservatives decide, you know what, we want to go to reform. I want the full fat version. I want the raw meat version. That's a whole nightmare for you to try and grapple with and deal with. So even in the Tories' best case scenario, they are about to enter a world of pain.