Ian Madigan

I think he's coming around the outside.

You know, but it's...

even my manager on work was like, could he use his time more efficiently to give himself more time to kick?

Could he do his breathing at the end as opposed to the start?

They're all valid points.

What I'd say on it, look, I've been speaking about his kicking style for probably two or three years, and same with Prendergast, who is equally as unreliable, but

The analogy I'd use as a golfer, right?

You can either use cavity backs, which are very forgiving, or you can use blades, right?

Blades are typically for low handicap golfers who are really accurate, can find the back of the ball easily.

18 handicapper, you're better off using cavity backs.

It's easier.

When you go into the kicking tees, if I was to do a kicking competition with 10 people off the street and we were to set the ball up the way Johnny and Jack and Dave Allred typically set their goal kickers up, or you were to set them up, the same 10 people with a telescopic tee with the ball leaning forward,

The success rate with the telescopic tee, I would put my house on it, would be far higher.

It's just because it's more of a sweeping motion.

The sweet spot is bigger.

In the space of a five-minute coaching session, you could get them to a reasonable standard where they'd be able to kick the ball straight from 30, 35 meters.

I worked with Dave Aldred, and he's an amazing kicking coach for spirals, restarts, the process that he goes through with actual place kicking.

And I definitely learned from him.

But that style was not suited to me.

And Richie Murphy was the other main kicking coach I had, obviously, with Leinster and Ireland.