Ian Miller

Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate you having me on.

Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate you having me on.

Absolutely. I think one of the biggest things that I learned because I came in this really from a data perspective and got really interested in seeing how the data was panning out with all the restrictions and mandates that we were trying with COVID was how little evidence based practice there is in so many of medicine and in a lot of these fields and public health that

Absolutely. I think one of the biggest things that I learned because I came in this really from a data perspective and got really interested in seeing how the data was panning out with all the restrictions and mandates that we were trying with COVID was how little evidence based practice there is in so many of medicine and in a lot of these fields and public health that

they were making decisions seemingly without a lot of evidence or data or facts to back it up. It was just kind of seemingly out of a panic and fear and wanting to try something to see if it works. But you can't do that when you're playing with people's lives as we were during COVID. And so it really was shocking to see how little... the backing they had for the decisions they were making.

they were making decisions seemingly without a lot of evidence or data or facts to back it up. It was just kind of seemingly out of a panic and fear and wanting to try something to see if it works. But you can't do that when you're playing with people's lives as we were during COVID. And so it really was shocking to see how little... the backing they had for the decisions they were making.

Yeah, obviously the one kind of exception to that was Sweden. And if you notice, initially they started talking about Sweden a lot. And then it became clear that Sweden was doing much better than the rest of Europe, much better than we were, despite not having mask mandates, despite not doing lockdowns, keeping schools open, on and on.

Yeah, obviously the one kind of exception to that was Sweden. And if you notice, initially they started talking about Sweden a lot. And then it became clear that Sweden was doing much better than the rest of Europe, much better than we were, despite not having mask mandates, despite not doing lockdowns, keeping schools open, on and on.

They just kind of stopped talking about it, stopped mentioning it, because it was showing how little evidence they had to support what they were saying. It was the kind of precautionary principle of run wild, but in the wrong direction. As you mentioned, they never gave consideration to the trade-offs of what they were doing.

They just kind of stopped talking about it, stopped mentioning it, because it was showing how little evidence they had to support what they were saying. It was the kind of precautionary principle of run wild, but in the wrong direction. As you mentioned, they never gave consideration to the trade-offs of what they were doing.

that's medicine 101 and there you know nothing you do no lever you pull doesn't also have another reaction to it and ignoring that as we are now seeing an incredible amount of harm

that's medicine 101 and there you know nothing you do no lever you pull doesn't also have another reaction to it and ignoring that as we are now seeing an incredible amount of harm

It's still going on, is it not? Yeah. Absolutely. And that's the other part of it, too, is that they specifically wanted people that disagree with them to be censored, acting as if it was dangerous to say there could be another way to do this. We might not be handling this correctly.

It's still going on, is it not? Yeah. Absolutely. And that's the other part of it, too, is that they specifically wanted people that disagree with them to be censored, acting as if it was dangerous to say there could be another way to do this. We might not be handling this correctly.

And I mean, we've seen the emails of Francis Collins and Fauci saying that we need a swift takedown of the Great Barrington Declaration.

And I mean, we've seen the emails of Francis Collins and Fauci saying that we need a swift takedown of the Great Barrington Declaration.

That's a great question. I think I would say that we had a group of very egotistical, controlled-minded experts, quote-unquote, and politicians that panicked. They bought into fear. They did not listen to evidence that contradicted their viewpoints.

That's a great question. I think I would say that we had a group of very egotistical, controlled-minded experts, quote-unquote, and politicians that panicked. They bought into fear. They did not listen to evidence that contradicted their viewpoints.

And once it became obvious that what they were trying wasn't working throughout the early middle part of 2020, instead of learning from that, admitting they were wrong, changing course, they doubled down and made things 10 times worse. So it was...

And once it became obvious that what they were trying wasn't working throughout the early middle part of 2020, instead of learning from that, admitting they were wrong, changing course, they doubled down and made things 10 times worse. So it was...