Ian Miller
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first heard May 2025
last heard May 2025
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Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate you having me on.
Absolutely. I think one of the biggest things that I learned because I came in this really from a data perspective and got really interested in seeing how the data was panning out with all the restrictions and mandates that we were trying with COVID was how little evidence based practice there is in so many of medicine and in a lot of these fields and public health that
they were making decisions seemingly without a lot of evidence or data or facts to back it up. It was just kind of seemingly out of a panic and fear and wanting to try something to see if it works. But you can't do that when you're playing with people's lives as we were during COVID. And so it really was shocking to see how little... the backing they had for the decisions they were making.
Yeah, obviously the one kind of exception to that was Sweden. And if you notice, initially they started talking about Sweden a lot. And then it became clear that Sweden was doing much better than the rest of Europe, much better than we were, despite not having mask mandates, despite not doing lockdowns, keeping schools open, on and on.
They just kind of stopped talking about it, stopped mentioning it, because it was showing how little evidence they had to support what they were saying. It was the kind of precautionary principle of run wild, but in the wrong direction. As you mentioned, they never gave consideration to the trade-offs of what they were doing.
that's medicine 101 and there you know nothing you do no lever you pull doesn't also have another reaction to it and ignoring that as we are now seeing an incredible amount of harm
It's still going on, is it not? Yeah. Absolutely. And that's the other part of it, too, is that they specifically wanted people that disagree with them to be censored, acting as if it was dangerous to say there could be another way to do this. We might not be handling this correctly.
And I mean, we've seen the emails of Francis Collins and Fauci saying that we need a swift takedown of the Great Barrington Declaration.
That's a great question. I think I would say that we had a group of very egotistical, controlled-minded experts, quote-unquote, and politicians that panicked. They bought into fear. They did not listen to evidence that contradicted their viewpoints.
And once it became obvious that what they were trying wasn't working throughout the early middle part of 2020, instead of learning from that, admitting they were wrong, changing course, they doubled down and made things 10 times worse. So it was...
I would say it's just a complete waterfall effect of bad ideas leading to bad outcomes and then having people that were too caught up in their own egomaniacal control paranoia that they weren't willing to alter course.
Oh, absolutely. The hypocrisy, I think, is another really important story that's kind of just been forgotten. I mean, you brought news and that's a great example. There was in the UK, their health minister was having an affair during lockdown and leaving lockdown to go see his mistress.
And we had, I mean, so many examples, Stacey Abrams, when she went to go visit that school and she was not wearing a mask and all the kids were forced into masks and school little kids and I mean, Nancy Pelosi getting her hair done. I mean, there's a limitless amount of examples of this hypocrisy and with no kind of acknowledgement.
And the biggest one of the biggest problems I have is with the media pointing out, well, if they're not that scared, why should we be? Instead, they were you know, they would just kind of move on or ignore it because they have the same party or whatever. They believed in the greater good.
But it was really frustrating to see how little they actually wanted to follow their own mandates and how they impacted our lives. And they weren't willing to do it themselves. They weren't willing to have any impact on their lives. Right.
Yeah, I agree. I think it is... One of the, I mean, among the many, many inexcusable things that happened during COVID, I think the movement towards, well, you can't have an idea because it can make people unsafe. That's a dangerous concept.
I mean, ideas do not make people unsafe, and conversations do not make people unsafe, especially when you're talking about the harms that were caused by the policies that they were enacting. I mean, lockdowns were not harmless policies. School closures were not harmless policies. Mask mandates were not harmless policies. Obviously, vaccine mandates and passports, so...
Yeah, you have to be able to have these conversations.
I have those exact same concerns. And from speaking to people that worked in there and public health at a very high level throughout the pandemic and starting in 2020, it's a lot of groups think, you know, they don't really listen to outside opinions. They get very caught up in what their circle of people think. And obviously it's a very kind of left-leaning
profession that didn't like Donald Trump and kind of took the position that whatever Donald Trump said or did or thought was gonna they were gonna take the opposite position even when he said things that were obviously right like opening schools so it's it's very I think it's a really disheartening thing that we can't trust them because they're not willing to be honest with us
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