Ian Miller

And it didn't really happen to the extent that I hoped that it would. It was very disappointing.

And it didn't really happen to the extent that I hoped that it would. It was very disappointing.

Yeah, exactly. And we did the opposite of that. And I think we, and not only do we do the opposite, that we encourage people to tell on their neighbors. I mean, Tim Walz in Minnesota, as we all learned during the election, had set up a hotline for people in Minnesota to rat out their neighbors for not complying with COVID mandates.

Yeah, exactly. And we did the opposite of that. And I think we, and not only do we do the opposite, that we encourage people to tell on their neighbors. I mean, Tim Walz in Minnesota, as we all learned during the election, had set up a hotline for people in Minnesota to rat out their neighbors for not complying with COVID mandates.

That's what we did. Instead of treating people with honesty and telling the truth, it was let's tell on everybody and, you know, rat on our neighbors.

That's what we did. Instead of treating people with honesty and telling the truth, it was let's tell on everybody and, you know, rat on our neighbors.

Most of it has been very positive. Obviously, you have some people that disagree. But I try to do a very purposeful job of sticking to data and bringing up the data and showing just here's what it is. Here's what happened, making comparisons. You know, this area that's right next to this area, one had a mandate, the other didn't. And the area without a mask mandate did better.

Most of it has been very positive. Obviously, you have some people that disagree. But I try to do a very purposeful job of sticking to data and bringing up the data and showing just here's what it is. Here's what happened, making comparisons. You know, this area that's right next to this area, one had a mandate, the other didn't. And the area without a mask mandate did better.

Well, how can that be true if what we're hearing from Fauci and the CDC is accurate? Obviously it can't. And you know, one example may not be enough, but with the book, the goal was to show that there's hundreds of examples over and over again, everywhere you look. And it's not just us. It was in Europe. It was in other parts of the world.

Well, how can that be true if what we're hearing from Fauci and the CDC is accurate? Obviously it can't. And you know, one example may not be enough, but with the book, the goal was to show that there's hundreds of examples over and over again, everywhere you look. And it's not just us. It was in Europe. It was in other parts of the world.

And you know, we never really had those conversations here and because the media wasn't willing to have them, they just promoted whatever they were told. And so that was the idea is to kind of go into detail and show we tried all these things. It didn't work and it didn't work anywhere. It didn't, there's not a single example that people can point to that said, Oh, here's our, here's our,

And you know, we never really had those conversations here and because the media wasn't willing to have them, they just promoted whatever they were told. And so that was the idea is to kind of go into detail and show we tried all these things. It didn't work and it didn't work anywhere. It didn't, there's not a single example that people can point to that said, Oh, here's our, here's our,

It's a really tough question. I think that the only way that you can convince them is to point out, and I do this in the book as well, that pre-COVID, all of our research on pandemics and how to handle them had showed that masks would not work. The UK had their pre-pandemic guidance. The CDC had their pre-pandemic guidance. They both said masks should not be recommended in a pandemic. And

It's a really tough question. I think that the only way that you can convince them is to point out, and I do this in the book as well, that pre-COVID, all of our research on pandemics and how to handle them had showed that masks would not work. The UK had their pre-pandemic guidance. The CDC had their pre-pandemic guidance. They both said masks should not be recommended in a pandemic. And

they did it anyway um they both said we should have society open which is with as minimal disruption as possible obviously we didn't do that so they kind of took all of the planning ahead of time and threw it out and did what they wanted anyway because of panic and fear that's right so it isn't well we didn't you know we were doing the best of what we knew at the time they did this they planned for 20 plus years for this to happen and when it happened they took everything they planned and threw it out because they they were too scared

they did it anyway um they both said we should have society open which is with as minimal disruption as possible obviously we didn't do that so they kind of took all of the planning ahead of time and threw it out and did what they wanted anyway because of panic and fear that's right so it isn't well we didn't you know we were doing the best of what we knew at the time they did this they planned for 20 plus years for this to happen and when it happened they took everything they planned and threw it out because they they were too scared

Yeah, exactly. That's one of the biggest issues is, okay, I can see that for maybe a few weeks or a couple of months, but almost immediately everybody could see. Yeah, everybody could see this was only, this is most severely impacting people who are extremely elderly, extremely sick already, you know, young, healthy people were not affected by this. Children were not affected by this.

Yeah, exactly. That's one of the biggest issues is, okay, I can see that for maybe a few weeks or a couple of months, but almost immediately everybody could see. Yeah, everybody could see this was only, this is most severely impacting people who are extremely elderly, extremely sick already, you know, young, healthy people were not affected by this. Children were not affected by this.

And they kept it going for years afterwards, years. And that's where it really starts to get out of control. And you mentioned it earlier, but it was very hard for areas and countries that turned these policies on to turn them off again because there was no off-ramp. They didn't have a set path of this is how we end these policies.

And they kept it going for years afterwards, years. And that's where it really starts to get out of control. And you mentioned it earlier, but it was very hard for areas and countries that turned these policies on to turn them off again because there was no off-ramp. They didn't have a set path of this is how we end these policies.