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Ian Millhiser

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

Probably the most important one is a doctrine that emerges from a case called In re Neagle.

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

It's an 1890 case, so this is really old, and it involves a federal law enforcement officer who...

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

who shot a man in the course of duty, the state of California wanted to prosecute him and Neagle set the rule that in most but not all cases, when a federal law enforcement officer is acting within the scope of their duties, the state cannot prosecute them.

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

Well, so the short answer to that is that it's unclear because about six months ago, last June, the Supreme Court handed down another case called Martin v. United States where they said that Neagle is โ€“ it's certainly weaker than I used to think it was.

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Can anyone stop ICE?

They weakened Neagle somewhat.

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Can anyone stop ICE?

What I get out of Martin is that protections for federal law enforcement officers against state prosecutions are not absolute.

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Can anyone stop ICE?

So they are not what J.D.

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

Vance said they are, even though there is still some protection there.

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

I think that if the state of Minnesota prosecutes โ€“ and that's a big if here because first of all, we don't know if they're going to be able to conduct a thorough investigation given the federal sabotage.

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

And second of all, we don't know what the results of that investigation will be.

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Can anyone stop ICE?

Maybe they determine that they can't bring a successful prosecution here.

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Can anyone stop ICE?

Even if Jonathan Ross is guilty, the prosecutors still have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Can anyone stop ICE?

And so they may determine that they just don't have enough evidence that it's worth going to a jury.

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Can anyone stop ICE?

But if they bring a prosecution, I think that the state of the law governing when a state can bring a prosecution against a federal officer is very unclear right now.

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

And this โ€“ especially given how high profile this case is, this is the sort of case that I could easily see winding up in front of the Supreme Court.

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

So the short answer is I think it depends a lot on what the courts say.

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

What the Supreme Court said recently in Martin, though, is they essentially said that, well, we only want Neagle to apply when we know that this officer is actually carrying out federal duties.

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

All that I have to say about that language is I'm a good enough lawyer.

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

If I was a Minnesota state prosecutor, I could argue that shooting someone when they had their wheels turned against you and they weren't a threat to you is not โ€“

Today, Explained
Can anyone stop ICE?

you know, necessary and proper to the discharge of federal law enforcement and therefore prosecution should be allowed.