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There wasn't much investigation. The security cameras show that he is down at the gym. There's no camera on the floor that we have seen of their apartment showing the actions outside of the apartment. There are text messages. They have the text messages and they have the 911 call.

There wasn't much investigation. The security cameras show that he is down at the gym. There's no camera on the floor that we have seen of their apartment showing the actions outside of the apartment. There are text messages. They have the text messages and they have the 911 call.

So a lot of the experts that reviewed this concluded there was no way that Ellen committed could have stabbed herself that many times. In fact, during a deposition, there is a forensic pathologist who reviewed Ellen's spinal tissue. In her deposition, she states that one of the stab wounds did not have any hemorrhaging.

So a lot of the experts that reviewed this concluded there was no way that Ellen committed could have stabbed herself that many times. In fact, during a deposition, there is a forensic pathologist who reviewed Ellen's spinal tissue. In her deposition, she states that one of the stab wounds did not have any hemorrhaging.

Hemorrhaging means no pulse, which means Ellen could not have administered that wound because she was already dead.

Hemorrhaging means no pulse, which means Ellen could not have administered that wound because she was already dead.

Yes. So Dr. Marlon Osborn, who is the medical examiner who originally ruled Ellen's death a homicide and then switched it to suicide. Dr. Osborn, on Friday night, two days before they were scheduled to go to trial, he writes in a legal verification that Ellen's manner of death should be ruled something other than suicide.

Yes. So Dr. Marlon Osborn, who is the medical examiner who originally ruled Ellen's death a homicide and then switched it to suicide. Dr. Osborn, on Friday night, two days before they were scheduled to go to trial, he writes in a legal verification that Ellen's manner of death should be ruled something other than suicide.

So I was there in court, and they were about to begin jury selection. And both sides, the attorneys for the city and the Greenbergs' attorneys, they were going back and forth. We saw them walking down the hallway multiple times that morning. And they reached an agreement that the medical examiner in Philadelphia will review Ellen's manner of death.

So I was there in court, and they were about to begin jury selection. And both sides, the attorneys for the city and the Greenbergs' attorneys, they were going back and forth. We saw them walking down the hallway multiple times that morning. And they reached an agreement that the medical examiner in Philadelphia will review Ellen's manner of death.

To our knowledge, it is going to be a different one because Dr. Marlon Osborne, the original medical examiner, he no longer practices in Pennsylvania. So it is going to be an independent investigation, a new investigation with the medical examiner's office in Philadelphia.

To our knowledge, it is going to be a different one because Dr. Marlon Osborne, the original medical examiner, he no longer practices in Pennsylvania. So it is going to be an independent investigation, a new investigation with the medical examiner's office in Philadelphia.

So that's a good question. If the medical examiner's office comes back and says, we determine Ellen's matter of death to be either undetermined or homicide... that will most likely start an investigation.

So that's a good question. If the medical examiner's office comes back and says, we determine Ellen's matter of death to be either undetermined or homicide... that will most likely start an investigation.

Her father is a very stoic man, and he broke down. They were walking through the halls of Philadelphia City Hall with her picture, and her mom says, Ellen Greenberg did not kill herself. She did not kill herself. And she turned around to her husband, Josh, showed him the picture, and he stopped. He put his head down, and he just started to sob.

Her father is a very stoic man, and he broke down. They were walking through the halls of Philadelphia City Hall with her picture, and her mom says, Ellen Greenberg did not kill herself. She did not kill herself. And she turned around to her husband, Josh, showed him the picture, and he stopped. He put his head down, and he just started to sob.

They believe that they will see the day that Ellen gets justice.

They believe that they will see the day that Ellen gets justice.

Thank you. I appreciate it. It was a pleasure.

Thank you. I appreciate it. It was a pleasure.