Ilana Glazer

It's Ben McKenzie, the actor you know from The O.C.

and Gotham.

But did you also know he's an author of the book Easy Money and a writer director of his new film called Everyone is Lying to You for Money?

He's exposing in his book and in this new documentary, he's exposing the complete scam that is cryptocurrency.

But what I found also interesting is that he...

There's an exploration of masculinity here, and it's not just crypto, but it's crypto as a container for some community or cult-like figure that men today seem to need.

He's 47, I learned.

A millennial dad who wants to see the world change.

better than it is today.

And he really comes off as a wife guy, loves his wife.

Very sweet.

I had a great time talking to him and I think, I think you will enjoy listening.

So come on in.

It's open.

So Ben McKenzie, thanks for joining me.

Um, I, you know, the, the way that we got connected was I was interested in your documentary.

Everyone is lying to you for money.

It's so good.

Thanks.

It's so good.