Ilana Golan

Is that fear or is that just worry or responsibility?

Wow.

That is something incredible to wait on your shoulders as a kid.

So where did that take you in your teenhood?

And then you've been part of different teams and different companies, but how did that drive you?

Where did that go?

So tell me, so you started, it sounds like, in Starbucks and other places, and you got a decent salary or whatever it is.

What made you decide entrepreneurship is insanely hard?

We'll probably dive a lot more about it because I think there's a little bit of a myth around how easy it is, and it's not.

So...

Take me there to that moment when you're saying, I'm okay with not having a salary.

I want to start something.

Was that excitement?

Was that fear?

Where did that take you?

Oh, that's beautiful.

And tell me, Mick, because the truth is, I think there's a myth, and it was for me too, that it's going to be the hardest to create all of this.

But once you actually have a team, this is where it gets really hairy, really scary, really expensive, really fast, right?

And I think we all have some near-death experiences.

The times when you're like, okay, like, I don't know if it's going to survive this.