Ilana Golan

Was that excitement?

Was that fear?

Where did that take you?

Oh, that's beautiful.

And tell me, Mick, because the truth is, I think there's a myth, and it was for me too, that it's going to be the hardest to create all of this.

But once you actually have a team, this is where it gets really hairy, really scary, really expensive, really fast, right?

And I think we all have some near-death experiences.

The times when you're like, okay, like, I don't know if it's going to survive this.

Share a moment, Mick, that comes up for you.

And it's pretty amazing how creative entrepreneurs become when your back is actually against the wall.

You just like hustle your way out of this and you're like, OK, I can breathe again for a little bit and then it comes back again.

So strong.

And it's so true because sometimes from scarcity, we bring in the wrong person and the instinct always knows better.

And we fight that instinct.

But tell me, sometimes those hard moments cause you to rediscover yourself and push you to go deeper into what do I really want?

Do I really want to continue in insurance and teen and other things?

Like, how did that

path to rediscover, founded the podcast and eventually the book and the leadership.

So walk me through a little bit.

How did you come with the mick factor and, you know, all the things that you're about today?