Ilana Golan

I think if people don't move very fast forward, they are losing relevance at a pace we've never seen before.

And you will need to constantly, constantly be intentional, strategic with every move you make.

You're absolutely right, Mick.

Based on everything that you've done, and you've done so much, Mick, and you talk to so many incredible leaders, what would be something that you wish somebody talked to your younger self and tell you?

I heard you talk to him.

It's funny because I say exactly the same thing, Mick.

And unfortunately, it took me a lot longer than you to realize that this is important.

And I think a lot of times I came from the military world, which I think comes with like, you should be able to persevere anything.

And, you know, like there's a lot of that.

And I think then in corporate, it's just an uncool thing because why wouldn't you figure this out on your own, right?

So if I'm being honest, I didn't believe in coaching.

And I wish, I wish I woke up a lot earlier because I think I had all this ego of I can figure this out.

And like you said, I can have a vague map or I can take the train.

Which one do I prefer, right?

Try to walk around with a vague map and hope that maybe I'll get there or take the train and actually get there fast, you know, like with a lot of energy to breathe.

And I think you're spot on, Mick.

That's incredible.

So where do people find you, Mick?

And obviously, it's pretty easy to look at Mick Unplugged and find you.

But where do people find you?