Ilana Golan

And it's so funny because I think I talked about the podcast with somebody literally a few days ago.

And I said, if I need to summarize in one word

hundreds of biggest leaders of our time and what made them in their career, it's, yeah, perseverance, tolerance, call it whatever, right?

But it's that.

And I think one of the things that I want to take you there, the messy middle, sometimes we feel like we're trying, we're trying, and we're actually like in motion and we're trying different things and we're not seeing the results, right?

And it's, we're not as excited anymore and now it's just starting and the finish line is not there and we're not getting the evidence that we need.

And it's so easy to give up.

It's so easy to lose that belief at that messy middle, right?

What do you do when it is hard?

People are sending resumes and they're getting rejected or they're trying different things and they're getting passed over or they're trying entrepreneurship.

And let's be real, entrepreneurship can really suck, right?

So they're trying all these things and what makes people give up or how do you not give up?

No, this is fascinating.

Okay, awesome.

So if somebody is listening to this and he's a leader or she's a leader, right?

And she's basically thinking, okay, so I have this team.

How do I know if I have a skills gap or I have a belief gap?

How do I know what is going on?

Do you have any thoughts around it?

Can we go there for a second?