Ilana Golan

How do you get out of the people pile?

What do you see, Dawn, when you're hiring or when you're looking for people?

What do you see in the organization?

So many ways, yeah.

So I'm curious, Don, because I think we're one of the few to actually teach portfolio careers and, again, reinvention and portfolio careers.

So I think for some people, it's only about reinvention.

Which is amazing, by the way.

For some of them, it is about portfolio careers.

And a lot of the executives are like, oh, my God, I didn't realize I can do advisory and board seats and speaking and whatever.

And suddenly they find this whole thing.

But then there's like a portfolio, right?

So what I'm curious about is as a CMO, how do you also see it in your organization?

I do believe eventually everybody will have some kind of a side thing that you do either because it's fun or it builds you the next thing that you want to learn or it's like it gives you a little bit of...

And as long as it doesn't hurt the organization, obviously, you still need to be hungry.

You need to be successful.

You need to be loyal.

Like, I am big on that, right?

But how do you see that as an organization?

And is that a no-go?

Is that cool?