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I think we apply it every day because what you just said is almost like the basic emotional intelligence, understanding of what's around you, understanding people. It's all of this and it's happening in every conversation. Was there a specific story as a law student that just crystallized the importance of it?

I think we apply it every day because what you just said is almost like the basic emotional intelligence, understanding of what's around you, understanding people. It's all of this and it's happening in every conversation. Was there a specific story as a law student that just crystallized the importance of it?

Priceless.

Priceless.

Oh my God, I love that, David. And first of all, I love that you shared this because I do believe that we learn better from failures or from things that we've done wrong versus the things that we've done right. I have a pretty famous story that I talked to a commander in my F-16. We were teaching them and training them. He was like 30 years more veteran than I am.

Oh my God, I love that, David. And first of all, I love that you shared this because I do believe that we learn better from failures or from things that we've done wrong versus the things that we've done right. I have a pretty famous story that I talked to a commander in my F-16. We were teaching them and training them. He was like 30 years more veteran than I am.

And he basically said, honey, do you know who I am? And I'm like, oh God, no. The truth is, beyond his name, I didn't know who he is. And it's a long story, but I will just say, knowing your audience is still probably the most important lesson that I learned from that day. I'm like, oh, darn it, because I said the right thing. I should have said it differently.

And he basically said, honey, do you know who I am? And I'm like, oh God, no. The truth is, beyond his name, I didn't know who he is. And it's a long story, but I will just say, knowing your audience is still probably the most important lesson that I learned from that day. I'm like, oh, darn it, because I said the right thing. I should have said it differently.

I love this story and how it ties into everything. you then eventually go to politics. And I want to understand why do you leave law and, you know, I mean, for everybody in the political, you know, they're trying to get into anything politics, like White House is like a dream. So share a little bit about that story.

I love this story and how it ties into everything. you then eventually go to politics. And I want to understand why do you leave law and, you know, I mean, for everybody in the political, you know, they're trying to get into anything politics, like White House is like a dream. So share a little bit about that story.

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And I will see you in the next episode of The Leap Academy with Ilana Golan Show. David, I want to go there for a second because that's one of the most incredible stories. Do you know why they reached out to you? How did you build that credibility, that authority, that reputation for yourself? And I want to make sure that our audience gets it. These kind of jobs are not on the hiring boards.

And I will see you in the next episode of The Leap Academy with Ilana Golan Show. David, I want to go there for a second because that's one of the most incredible stories. Do you know why they reached out to you? How did you build that credibility, that authority, that reputation for yourself? And I want to make sure that our audience gets it. These kind of jobs are not on the hiring boards.

Everybody gets that, right? It's all in the hidden market. It's who knows you. And it's according to what you want to be known for. So how do you think you were able to build that kind of reputation to be the person that somebody like this calls?

Everybody gets that, right? It's all in the hidden market. It's who knows you. And it's according to what you want to be known for. So how do you think you were able to build that kind of reputation to be the person that somebody like this calls?

Amazing. And it's probably a combination of really hard work that they're seeing your loyalty. But also, I think even you talk about it, even when you were in the Obama administration, you probably had hundreds, if not more, of occasions where you were listening to other American stories and conveying them to the president personally. which is just so incredible.

Amazing. And it's probably a combination of really hard work that they're seeing your loyalty. But also, I think even you talk about it, even when you were in the Obama administration, you probably had hundreds, if not more, of occasions where you were listening to other American stories and conveying them to the president personally. which is just so incredible.

But can you share a moment that touched you or maybe a story or two?

But can you share a moment that touched you or maybe a story or two?