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But I think one of the things that sets you so much apart, Craig, is that most people feel like they can't create an engineering platform or some kind of a platform without raising capital. And you not only that you created it kind of on your own, and then you're able to scale it without raising capital. Which is very rare. I come from Silicon Valley. We don't hear a lot of these stories.

But I think one of the things that sets you so much apart, Craig, is that most people feel like they can't create an engineering platform or some kind of a platform without raising capital. And you not only that you created it kind of on your own, and then you're able to scale it without raising capital. Which is very rare. I come from Silicon Valley. We don't hear a lot of these stories.

I mean, the Sand Hill walk around the venture capital is real, right? So how were there scary moments? Like, I don't know how I'm going to pay the bills. I don't know how I'm going to pay salaries or not really. Like, how was it?

I mean, the Sand Hill walk around the venture capital is real, right? So how were there scary moments? Like, I don't know how I'm going to pay the bills. I don't know how I'm going to pay salaries or not really. Like, how was it?

But you somehow knew that this you want, this is the trend, like this is something that you want to start and grow somehow.

But you somehow knew that this you want, this is the trend, like this is something that you want to start and grow somehow.

But in 2000, you take, if that's okay to go there, you make a very interesting decision. And that basically is to step down as CEO and to let Jim run the company. I think for a lot of founders, this would have been a very, very hard decision to make. Can you walk us through, Craig, a little bit? What was the reason? And did that come with a lot of anxiety or not?

But in 2000, you take, if that's okay to go there, you make a very interesting decision. And that basically is to step down as CEO and to let Jim run the company. I think for a lot of founders, this would have been a very, very hard decision to make. Can you walk us through, Craig, a little bit? What was the reason? And did that come with a lot of anxiety or not?

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That's sleepacademy.com slash training. Now let's get back to the show. And what I think I noticed all along, and there's a theme there with you, Craig, even with you wanting me to introduce you as just basically a nerd and amateur philanthropist, like there's basically no ego that I can see.

That's sleepacademy.com slash training. Now let's get back to the show. And what I think I noticed all along, and there's a theme there with you, Craig, even with you wanting me to introduce you as just basically a nerd and amateur philanthropist, like there's basically no ego that I can see.

And if there's no ego, it doesn't bother you to be a customer service rep suddenly when somebody else is running essentially your baby. Am I right? Like, how do you explain it otherwise?

And if there's no ego, it doesn't bother you to be a customer service rep suddenly when somebody else is running essentially your baby. Am I right? Like, how do you explain it otherwise?

Because again, a leader is someone that knows how to listen. And even though you present yourself as a nerd, you're truly listening to people. And again, sometimes you'll do it more immediate and sometimes it will take some time for it to absorb and then execute on it. But I mean, you're definitely receptive. And you are very passionate.

Because again, a leader is someone that knows how to listen. And even though you present yourself as a nerd, you're truly listening to people. And again, sometimes you'll do it more immediate and sometimes it will take some time for it to absorb and then execute on it. But I mean, you're definitely receptive. And you are very passionate.

I mean, since 2001, as far as I could see, you're basically very passionate about Craigslist Foundation and philanthropy. And, you know, cyber is a big piece of it. Do you think it came from those days in that people warned you?

I mean, since 2001, as far as I could see, you're basically very passionate about Craigslist Foundation and philanthropy. And, you know, cyber is a big piece of it. Do you think it came from those days in that people warned you?

So you're taking, I mean, you're essentially working on this for 20 something years, right? And you're basically, every time it's different causes, but you're huge on, you know, anything from cybersecurity to, like you said, vets and military families. I saw things around diversity and I saw a few really interesting sites like Blue Star Families, et cetera, the Bob Woodruff Foundation, right?

So you're taking, I mean, you're essentially working on this for 20 something years, right? And you're basically, every time it's different causes, but you're huge on, you know, anything from cybersecurity to, like you said, vets and military families. I saw things around diversity and I saw a few really interesting sites like Blue Star Families, et cetera, the Bob Woodruff Foundation, right?