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That's incredible. And that's exactly our audience, by the way. Every single listener here is right now getting an aha moment.

That's incredible. And that's exactly our audience, by the way. Every single listener here is right now getting an aha moment.

Wait, wait. So let's go there. Let's go there. So he gives you this like aha moment and you're saying, OK, maybe this is what I need to do. But between that and actually knowing what to start is a very different story.

Wait, wait. So let's go there. Let's go there. So he gives you this like aha moment and you're saying, OK, maybe this is what I need to do. But between that and actually knowing what to start is a very different story.

And I'll tap into that. And I want the listeners to listen in because don't go there just because you think it's easier than finding a job. Go there because it's a passion. Entrepreneurship, as far as I'm concerned, James, correct me if I'm wrong, it's always going to be hard. But if it's your passion, it's going to be the thing that you have to do.

And I'll tap into that. And I want the listeners to listen in because don't go there just because you think it's easier than finding a job. Go there because it's a passion. Entrepreneurship, as far as I'm concerned, James, correct me if I'm wrong, it's always going to be hard. But if it's your passion, it's going to be the thing that you have to do.

He's a different kind of prison. Yeah. Yeah.

He's a different kind of prison. Yeah. Yeah.

So let's go there for a second, James, because I agree with you a thousand percent. With Leap Academy, I decided not to raise capital and not to have the prison. But I still want to go there for a second. So you have this idea. It's keeping you up at night. You're like, oh, my God, is that tickle that you need to start? So you know that you need to create it.

So let's go there for a second, James, because I agree with you a thousand percent. With Leap Academy, I decided not to raise capital and not to have the prison. But I still want to go there for a second. So you have this idea. It's keeping you up at night. You're like, oh, my God, is that tickle that you need to start? So you know that you need to create it.

That's brilliant. And that's really early on.

That's brilliant. And that's really early on.

So you had this idea, you're jumping all in, you decide that you're going despite fear, despite money, despite it all. Was there fear? Like, am I crazy?

So you had this idea, you're jumping all in, you decide that you're going despite fear, despite money, despite it all. Was there fear? Like, am I crazy?

Okay, but then the .com brought very, very cold water. How did you do with the 2000s?

Okay, but then the .com brought very, very cold water. How did you do with the 2000s?

And I want to go there, James, for a second, because I think one of the things that I hear very, very often is like, but I tried. And what they mean is that they went to seven and they got rejection. I'm like, yeah, I mean, look at my spreadsheet for the podcast. Do you know how many thousands said no initially until I got, you know, a few big names like that is it.

And I want to go there, James, for a second, because I think one of the things that I hear very, very often is like, but I tried. And what they mean is that they went to seven and they got rejection. I'm like, yeah, I mean, look at my spreadsheet for the podcast. Do you know how many thousands said no initially until I got, you know, a few big names like that is it.

And at that point, like you had so much conviction in the idea that you just continued or was there like, what the heck am I doing?

And at that point, like you had so much conviction in the idea that you just continued or was there like, what the heck am I doing?