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Right. But I'll tell you, I don't call it nepotism. Like, I seriously believe that the best type of opportunities we all get from our network and we all get from people knowing people. And that's part of the reason to go to college was all respect is that network, right?

Right. But I'll tell you, I don't call it nepotism. Like, I seriously believe that the best type of opportunities we all get from our network and we all get from people knowing people. And that's part of the reason to go to college was all respect is that network, right?

Without a doubt, yes.

Without a doubt, yes.

So I think people pull you. And by the way, it's up to you to make sure that your brand is aligned with where you want to go and that they bring you to the right opportunities. So yes, your brand was somehow aligned with where you wanted to go. He somehow knew about it and he brought you into Apple. That is a really cool story.

So I think people pull you. And by the way, it's up to you to make sure that your brand is aligned with where you want to go and that they bring you to the right opportunities. So yes, your brand was somehow aligned with where you wanted to go. He somehow knew about it and he brought you into Apple. That is a really cool story.

Probably, although the surfboard makes it pretty desirable at the back, but... No, but seriously, I think there's a lot to creating your own luck. But when you got into Apple, first of all, it's funny because I literally live across the street from Steve Jobs' basement. But what was your impression working with Steve Jobs? Like, how did that environment shape you?

Probably, although the surfboard makes it pretty desirable at the back, but... No, but seriously, I think there's a lot to creating your own luck. But when you got into Apple, first of all, it's funny because I literally live across the street from Steve Jobs' basement. But what was your impression working with Steve Jobs? Like, how did that environment shape you?

It's true. It's true.

It's true. It's true.

I do. Mrs. Elizabeth, poor girl. But tell me, working with him, like I'm sure it still creates a lot of learning opportunities. What did you get?

I do. Mrs. Elizabeth, poor girl. But tell me, working with him, like I'm sure it still creates a lot of learning opportunities. What did you get?

But I want to go there with you for a second, Guy, because at that point you needed to literally go persuade people about a vision that barely existed, right? It wasn't like selling diamonds that you can just pour it on the napkin or whatever, the scale. Like now you're trying to like sell this concept and make them create software and hardware for something that doesn't exist.

But I want to go there with you for a second, Guy, because at that point you needed to literally go persuade people about a vision that barely existed, right? It wasn't like selling diamonds that you can just pour it on the napkin or whatever, the scale. Like now you're trying to like sell this concept and make them create software and hardware for something that doesn't exist.

Talk to me a little bit about what that looks like.

Talk to me a little bit about what that looks like.

But then you decide to leave Apple and I think you're doing your own ventures, which is a freaking hard guy, but I'm sure it's also helped you shape a lot of the things that I learned from you as an entrepreneur. So first of all, thank you. What were those moments of decision, I guess twice, of leaving Apple and what was it like to start being an entrepreneur?

But then you decide to leave Apple and I think you're doing your own ventures, which is a freaking hard guy, but I'm sure it's also helped you shape a lot of the things that I learned from you as an entrepreneur. So first of all, thank you. What were those moments of decision, I guess twice, of leaving Apple and what was it like to start being an entrepreneur?

I'll just say that we just had John Hennessy on our podcast and he wanted to go slam on cars. And I'm like, dude, we're going to talk about your careers because I don't know anything about cars, but maybe I'll connect you two. Okay.

I'll just say that we just had John Hennessy on our podcast and he wanted to go slam on cars. And I'm like, dude, we're going to talk about your careers because I don't know anything about cars, but maybe I'll connect you two. Okay.