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Ilya Sutskever

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

I think that is something that happens and I think it could explain a lot of what's going on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

If you combine this with generalization of the models actually being inadequate,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

that has the potential to explain a lot of what we are seeing, this disconnect between eval performance and actual real-world performance, which is something that we don't today exactly even understand what we mean by that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

So I have a human analogy which might be helpful.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

So even the case, let's take the case of competitive programming since you mentioned that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

And suppose you have two students.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

One of them, work decided they want to be the best competitive programmers, so they will practice 10,000 hours for that domain.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

They will solve all the problems, memorize all the proof techniques, and be very, very, you know...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

be very skilled at quickly and correctly implementing all the algorithms, and by doing so, they became the best, one of the best.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

Student number two thought, oh, competitive programming is cool.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

Maybe they practiced for 100 hours, much, much less, and they also did really well.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

Which one do you think is going to do better in their career later on?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

The second.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

Right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

And I think that's basically what's going on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

The models are much more like the first student, but even more, because then we say, okay...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

So the model should be good at competitive programming.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

So let's get every single competitive programming problem ever.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

And then let's do some data augmentation so we have even more competitive programming problems.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Ilya Sutskever – We're moving from the age of scaling to the age of research

And we train on that.