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The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

It's a pyramid.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

So as you go from the bottom layer of managerial positions to the top, think of it, in PepsiCo, in the bottom layer, probably 14,000, 15,000 people.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

By the time you get to CEO minus two, you're at about 60 or 70.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

CEO minus one, you're down to 15.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

So you've gone from 15,000 to 60 to 15 to one.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

Just think of the climb.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

And then this is all happening at a time when the world around you is changing so much.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

So you've got to keep up with all the changes in the world.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

And you've got to make sure that you earn your place in the next row.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

And remember, if you don't earn your place, the people below you are waiting to push you out.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

So people don't realize that as you get more senior in an organization, it's up or out.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

So to keep those jobs is very difficult.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

I kept many of them because I told them, look, I may become CEO, but I don't see why we can't work together.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

Most of them stayed.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

After two or three years, they got CEO jobs and they left, but many of them stayed.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

But you're right.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

If there are five people competing to be CEO and only one is made CEO, typically what happens is other companies grab them.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

Especially for a company like PepsiCo, which has a great leadership development, people came and grabbed them.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

And so they go off to be CEOs, which is good because you've got PepsiCo alumni now running so many companies.

The Knowledge Project
Indra Nooyi: Lessons from the Top of PepsiCo—and the Cost of Getting There

But, you know, you've got to think about this math, which is pretty tough.