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You don't remember that. No. I explained to you the importance of being honest, correct? Correct. Okay. So you understand that? Yes. All right. So you are going to sit here and look me in the eye and tell me that Shelby did not make the statement, this is the night we're going to do it. Right. She didn't say that. No. And she said that she's going to say it to me.
Yeah, both of them lying. So she says, okay, you know, I think I'm just going to go ahead and go. So I say, okay, well, you're under the arrest. You're under arrest for Kevin's murder. And she has her purse with her. And she's keeping this purse on her lap and hands on, very hands on this purse. And through this whole interview with her, I'm thinking, why are you hanging on to this purse so hard?
Yeah, both of them lying. So she says, okay, you know, I think I'm just going to go ahead and go. So I say, okay, well, you're under the arrest. You're under arrest for Kevin's murder. And she has her purse with her. And she's keeping this purse on her lap and hands on, very hands on this purse. And through this whole interview with her, I'm thinking, why are you hanging on to this purse so hard?
You know, now I want to look in the purse. And so I search her purse, because now she's under arrest, I can search her purse. And I find notes, a notepad, and there are notes that are being clearly two different handwritings, notes that are being clearly this note has been passed back and forth.
You know, now I want to look in the purse. And so I search her purse, because now she's under arrest, I can search her purse. And I find notes, a notepad, and there are notes that are being clearly two different handwritings, notes that are being clearly this note has been passed back and forth.
Lisa. Stop telling me you didn't have a relationship with Shelby. I didn't have a sexual relationship. There is no one else in this room. It's you and me right now. You need to start being honest. You wrote that. It's your handwriting. I know it's your handwriting. It is my handwriting. All right. And you were writing it to Shelby. So I show that note, and I said, well, what's this note?
Lisa. Stop telling me you didn't have a relationship with Shelby. I didn't have a sexual relationship. There is no one else in this room. It's you and me right now. You need to start being honest. You wrote that. It's your handwriting. I know it's your handwriting. It is my handwriting. All right. And you were writing it to Shelby. So I show that note, and I said, well, what's this note?
And I show it to her. And Lisa, oh my God. That was all Shelby. I mean, if you want to know the truth, Shelby basically raped me. Yeah, we had sex one time. I was not a willing participant. I was a victim here. I've never been attracted to a girl before. I thought, you know what, Lisa, I don't care. She forced herself on me. Not forced herself on me. It was like, come for me.
And I show it to her. And Lisa, oh my God. That was all Shelby. I mean, if you want to know the truth, Shelby basically raped me. Yeah, we had sex one time. I was not a willing participant. I was a victim here. I've never been attracted to a girl before. I thought, you know what, Lisa, I don't care. She forced herself on me. Not forced herself on me. It was like, come for me.
She knew what I was going through, Kevin, and she was comforting me. Okay. And what, one thing led to another?
She knew what I was going through, Kevin, and she was comforting me. Okay. And what, one thing led to another?
But it happened before Kevin died. Shelby, Shelby, Shelby, Shelby. Now she is turning on Shelby big time. And yeah, I do think Shelby had Kevin killed because she wanted to be with me, but I was no way I was ever going to be with her. So I take the opportunity and say, well, great. If this is all Shelby, let's put a wire on you and you call Shelby right now. And here's what I need you to say.
But it happened before Kevin died. Shelby, Shelby, Shelby, Shelby. Now she is turning on Shelby big time. And yeah, I do think Shelby had Kevin killed because she wanted to be with me, but I was no way I was ever going to be with her. So I take the opportunity and say, well, great. If this is all Shelby, let's put a wire on you and you call Shelby right now. And here's what I need you to say.
And she won't, won't, won't. And then finally, I said, yeah, okay, you know. I mean, you can go down for this by yourself or you can take the people responsible with you. I don't care.
And she won't, won't, won't. And then finally, I said, yeah, okay, you know. I mean, you can go down for this by yourself or you can take the people responsible with you. I don't care.
No, I'm by myself. We put a wire on her. She calls Shelby. And Shelby's not really biting, but... before Shelby completely ends the phone call, Lisa says to her, you know, to the effect like, you know, Shelby, I'm really getting worried. And, you know, I don't know what you did. And I don't know what you did to Kevin. And she's getting these out.
No, I'm by myself. We put a wire on her. She calls Shelby. And Shelby's not really biting, but... before Shelby completely ends the phone call, Lisa says to her, you know, to the effect like, you know, Shelby, I'm really getting worried. And, you know, I don't know what you did. And I don't know what you did to Kevin. And she's getting these out.
And Shelby says to her at one point, you know, Lisa, I don't know what you're doing. And I don't know where you are. But you better remember we're in this together.
And Shelby says to her at one point, you know, Lisa, I don't know what you're doing. And I don't know where you are. But you better remember we're in this together.
I got you. I told you, Shelby, this day would come, did I not?