Ira Glass

And you write in your article, he won't really talk to you when you're there on the bridge.

And, and so, and so give me a typical exchange between the two of you on the bridge.

So you go to lunch with them, and what happens there?

So you go back up to the bridge, and he putters off on his moped.

Yeah.

So did you feel good?

No, I'm just sitting here like with my mouth open as you say this.

Mike Paterniti.

He first wrote about meeting Mr. Chen for GQ magazine.

There's a documentary out there about Mr. Chen and the bridge called The Angel of Nanjing.

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Act 3, Yes in My Backyard.

Now this story about some of the mysterious things happening on the edges of the city, in the shadow of the city, right under our noses.

And to put this story in some context, we're going to turn now to Jorge Joss.

You may remember Jorge.

He's done some stories for our program.

He says that when you move to a new city, you cannot get into the regular conversations that everybody else gets into.

He found this out a little while back when he did the one thing that everyone in Chicago agrees is the very worst thing that anybody can do

He moved to New York.

Yeah, well, that's actually true.