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Irving Finkel

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

But the first evidence we have presents a sort of clear-ish sort of picture.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

It was simple, then it got more complicated, and then it became magnificent.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

so that with all the signs, a fluent and well-trained scribe could not only write down the Sumerian language, which was one of the native tongues of Iraq, or the Babylonian language, which was the other main language of Iraq, but also any other language he heard.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

if somebody came speaking French ahead of their time and spoke out loud, he could record with these signs the sound of French.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And we have examples of funny languages in the world around in the Bronze Age, which were written in cuneiform purely by ear.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And often, sometimes the scribes who recorded by dictation or by something wrote stuff they couldn't understand, but somebody else could read and understand it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

What you have is, long before the alphabet, when the alphabet was not even a dream, a complex, bewildering-looking, off-putting writing system, which was actually very beautiful, very flexible, and lasted for well over three millennia, probably closer to four millennia.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And it took a long time for the alphabet, which anybody would say was much, much more useful and much more sensible, to displace it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So it's one of the major stages of man's intellect, because quite soon after the writing first took off,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

signs began to proliferate.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And someone said, hey, we haven't got a sign for this sound, or we haven't got a sign for this idea.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And so it began to swell out.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And at some extremely remarkable stage, one, probably only one person, suddenly realized that if there was no control, they would grow exponentially and exponentially until it was all nonsense and everybody had their own writing.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And the second thing is that no one could remember them

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

unless they were written down in a retrievable way.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So they invented not only writing, they invented lexicography, which means that early in the third millennium, they put down all the things that were made of wood and all the things that were made of reeds and all the names of colors and of countries and all the gods and everything.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

They made a systematic attempt

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

to make these signs, to standardize them and to make them retrievable, and of course to teach them.