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Irving Finkel

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

He was a real person.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

He was a king in Uruk, and he was one of those people who lived after their death in the world, like Alexander, for example.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So there were stories about Gilgamesh when he was alive.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

There were stories about him afterwards.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

Firstly, they were oral literature stories.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

not written down at all.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And then around the 1800s, people started to write them down in Sumerian or Babylonian.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So there was a corpus, and eventually they were woven into this long 12 Homeric type thing about the adventures of Gilgamesh.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So it is certainly literature, and it's to do with humanity and immortality and death.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

Man in the Hands of the Gods, and incorporates lots of interesting, exciting stories.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

It's a very Hollywood-y kind of thing, and you can see within it, even in the sophisticated Nineveh version, its roots are in oral literature, because when somebody speaks

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

It says Gilgamesh opened his mouth to speak and addressed his friend Enkidu.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And then there's a speech.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And then Enkidu opened his mouth and addressed his friend Gilgamesh.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

Well, when you're reading a story, you don't need that.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And that must be because when there was an enacting of an oral thing, a narrator would say, and it suddenly got frozen into the text.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So it's a very strange thing because if you're reading it, it's obvious that one person speaks and the other person speaks.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And they always have this complicated thing stuck in the text.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So it must be an echo of presumably you have your protagonists speaking.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

enacting their timeless matter.