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Irving Finkel

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So, however many hundreds of thousands of tablets are in the world's museums and collections, there must be millions of them in the ground awaiting excavation.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

In a way, that's a comforting thought because they're safe there and protected.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

Well, I think it's rather paradoxical.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

because the first generation or so of tablets that we have are written in these pictographic signs, where each sign means what it looks like.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So this is a very limited method of recording messages, and it doesn't lend itself to recording grammar.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And then the secondary phase, as we understand it from archaeology, is the perception that you could take these signs, still meaning what they look like, but also what the words sounded like.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So then you have all these wonderful ice cubes,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

which express all the sounds of the language from which you can record words and grammar and everything else.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

Now, the thing is, the received law from Assyriology is that it was that way round, that first we had pictures and secondly we had sound.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

Well, I have to say,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

I find this very hard to believe because if you had a group of people in an environment where it was compellingly necessary to make a system that you made marks on a surface which everybody could understand and use,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

Why wouldn't you start out with signs that made sounds?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

Because everybody speaks the same language, right?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So they didn't have A, B, C, D, E, F, G, but they could easily work out all the vowels and consonants without naming them as vowels and consonants, but the component parts.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So they could have had signs that started out, because if you decided you had, we have 26, let's say they had 50 signs that would create the sound.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

They could write anything without any further trouble.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

So I find it very bewildering that they started off with the least flexible and the least adaptable system of pictographs, and then they moved on to the sound.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

I don't know why they bothered with it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#487 โ€“ Irving Finkel: Deciphering Secrets of Ancient Civilizations & Flood Myths

And my hunch is...