Isaac Butler

Yeah, so one of them I want to go to bat for because it's out of print and I think someone should bring it back into print.

So it's by a writer named Anthony Julius and it's called Transgressions, the Offenses of Art.

And it is a history of the transgressive in art.

And it's really about the different roles that transgression can play, the history of our understanding of it, how the courts have responded to it and everything.

It's brilliant.

It's so thought-provoking.

My book would not be...

I mean, I think I've written a pretty good book.

It would not be nearly that good without that book.

I'm really indebted to it.

Another is Jack Lowry's recent It Was Vulgar, It Was Beautiful.

Have you read that one, Gilbert?

I have not.

It's a beautiful, beautiful book about telling the story of Grand Fury.

Grand Fury was kind of the most prominent of the art collectives within ACT UP.

They developed a lot of the t-shirts and slogans like...

All people with AIDS are innocent.

And it's about the history of that collective.

Jack Lowry interviewed like everyone who's still alive.

He interviewed them.