Isaiah Taylor

So smaller, more decentralized, much, much less vulnerable to centralized attack.

We're going to have to reinvent it.

Let's not kid ourselves.

Over the next 30 years, we're going to have to reinvent the entire grid no matter what.

Even if we decided that we're going to continue with centralization...

in order to triple our grid capacity, you're going to build a lot of infrastructure, right?

So I think this is not an option to not reinvent the grid.

The grid will be reinvented, and it's either going to be reinvented with more bigger centralized infrastructure, or it's going to be reinvented around dynamic, smaller, decentralized infrastructure.

And I think that second one is the right way to go.

Yeah, absolutely.

New power line infrastructure.

Again, I think one of the reasons that people are afraid of this issue is that we haven't properly brought private industry and capitalism into that solution set.

America is incredibly good at using its technologists to solve thorny problems, and we use the profit incentive to do that.

Right.

People like me, people like my employees who see an opportunity to solve an enormous problem and make an enormous amount of money in the process.

Right.

This is how we as Americans figure out how to solve the hardest problems on Earth.

And the way that you can muck up that process is by introducing laws and legislations that make it impossible to fix the problem with the profit incentive through private companies.

And the way that we've done that is through, again, environmental policy, through some of the centralized federal regulatory programs around the grid.

When you try to manage all of this at the top, you become very bad at governing, right?