Israel Keyes

I mean, that's that because you did not accept responsibility.

You basically obstructed justice.

You lose three levels of acceptance.

So

It happens in the reverse all the time.

And it shouldn't be that way, but it is because you've got an absolute right to go to trial, force the prosecution to prove their case.

You shouldn't get punished when you go to trial and try to prove that you're not by taking the stand, which is waiving your Fifth Amendment rights.

So I take the opposite.

In fact, it reminds me of when people say, how do you sleep at night knowing that your client is guilty?

And I said, I don't lose sleep over that.

I lose sleep over going

When I've got a client who I believe is innocent, that's when I lose sleep and engage in alcohol therapy.

It's an interesting flip that has taken place.

I made my career basically in the 90s defending Susan McDougal, who was Bill and Hillary Clinton's erstwhile business partner in Whitewater.

And I tried her case in Santa Monica.

I tried against the Office of Independent Counsel for an obstruction of justice.

We won in Little Rock against Ken Starr.

And

All the arguments that we used to make and that the Democrats used to make in the 90s about an office of independent counsel and a prosecutor who had political motives.

Well, now you see that those are the same arguments that President Trump was.