Ivan Balabanov

Sorry, veterinary behavior medicine. But that's why we have the next level, right? Because some veterinarians are just not interested in, and it's just not emphasized, and that's fine.

Sorry, veterinary behavior medicine. But that's why we have the next level, right? Because some veterinarians are just not interested in, and it's just not emphasized, and that's fine.

Yeah, I'm fully aware of that. I know that we are so short on time. I mean, hour and a half is plenty of time. And I really appreciate that you were able to scramble and make it work this way. Because after you've seen my podcast, I kind of like to take it super slow and ramble back and forth. And today I had to prepare myself. I have notes all over my desk here, which is super unusual.

Yeah, I'm fully aware of that. I know that we are so short on time. I mean, hour and a half is plenty of time. And I really appreciate that you were able to scramble and make it work this way. Because after you've seen my podcast, I kind of like to take it super slow and ramble back and forth. And today I had to prepare myself. I have notes all over my desk here, which is super unusual.

Very cool. I'm sure we should. Let's see how it goes. Of course. Let me tell you a little bit about because it's just something that I don't think it's ever even come up in podcasts or anything that I do. But I came in the States in like early 90s. I took two courses in Cornell. And it was, you know, dog training and dog behavior.

Very cool. I'm sure we should. Let's see how it goes. Of course. Let me tell you a little bit about because it's just something that I don't think it's ever even come up in podcasts or anything that I do. But I came in the States in like early 90s. I took two courses in Cornell. And it was, you know, dog training and dog behavior.

And it was, I mean, the people that I will tell you, of course, they're very know, they're just top of the leaders of the industry. Dr. Katrin Haupt, Soraya Jurabe-Diaz, Ilana Reisner, and so on. Yes. So trust me when I tell you I have... taken a lot of time in my life to study. I do not have the PhD, but I don't watch soap operas. All I do is books and courses and webinars.

And it was, I mean, the people that I will tell you, of course, they're very know, they're just top of the leaders of the industry. Dr. Katrin Haupt, Soraya Jurabe-Diaz, Ilana Reisner, and so on. Yes. So trust me when I tell you I have... taken a lot of time in my life to study. I do not have the PhD, but I don't watch soap operas. All I do is books and courses and webinars.

And believe it or not, I probably have seen more what was it, the American College webinars that they have done, most veterinarians do. And when they do it, some of them, just like in the dog training world, like you will have police officer that goes to a workshop just because it's their job and they have to, they don't have any interest. They're just, it's a payday.

And believe it or not, I probably have seen more what was it, the American College webinars that they have done, most veterinarians do. And when they do it, some of them, just like in the dog training world, like you will have police officer that goes to a workshop just because it's their job and they have to, they don't have any interest. They're just, it's a payday.

So I know that a lot of veterinarians perhaps do the same. Some are super interested and some do it just because they have to. Well, in my case, it's voluntary. So I'm really, like I study this stuff. So I don't want you to think that some, you know, like whenever we get into the discussion, I will try to

So I know that a lot of veterinarians perhaps do the same. Some are super interested and some do it just because they have to. Well, in my case, it's voluntary. So I'm really, like I study this stuff. So I don't want you to think that some, you know, like whenever we get into the discussion, I will try to

really back up my claims and my reasoning behind what I'm saying, but I just kind of thought that it's important to mention that as much as I'm in dog training, I am very, very interested and I believe that I'm very up to date on what goes on.

really back up my claims and my reasoning behind what I'm saying, but I just kind of thought that it's important to mention that as much as I'm in dog training, I am very, very interested and I believe that I'm very up to date on what goes on.

What are Like, I know we're going to hit the SSRIs, we're going to hit electric collars or shock collars, whatever we're going to call it, but what are, like, dog trainers? Like, not in the medical sphere, but actual dog trainers that you not necessarily look up to, but they're, like, you can say, well, this is somebody that I...

What are Like, I know we're going to hit the SSRIs, we're going to hit electric collars or shock collars, whatever we're going to call it, but what are, like, dog trainers? Like, not in the medical sphere, but actual dog trainers that you not necessarily look up to, but they're, like, you can say, well, this is somebody that I...

trust that they have knowledge that they treat the dog with ethically and and so forth who comes to mind am i looking for no who comes to mind like in in as far as like in the dog training field i mean if if somebody does if not it's no problem

trust that they have knowledge that they treat the dog with ethically and and so forth who comes to mind am i looking for no who comes to mind like in in as far as like in the dog training field i mean if if somebody does if not it's no problem

Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, like we can agree. Okay, well, just as you mentioned, Cesar Milan time and the way you said it, I already know how you feel about it.

Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, like we can agree. Okay, well, just as you mentioned, Cesar Milan time and the way you said it, I already know how you feel about it.