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Ivan Balabanov

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Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

And we have regular Zoom calls discussing cases and so on. And because of my obsession with this kind of stuff, somehow I came up with this question. I'm like, guys, how many of you, how often a dog comes that is on SSRI? Well, it was a lot. It was surprisingly a lot.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

And we have regular Zoom calls discussing cases and so on. And because of my obsession with this kind of stuff, somehow I came up with this question. I'm like, guys, how many of you, how often a dog comes that is on SSRI? Well, it was a lot. It was surprisingly a lot.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

My next question was, and what I mean a lot, like let's say within two months, at least one dog was on medication. Now, granted, they come with some problems, right? So we can say, well, they need medication. But the next question I ask is, well, any of these dogs, have you talked to the owners and their veterinarians? Is there any plan to taper off? Never. That's never possible.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

My next question was, and what I mean a lot, like let's say within two months, at least one dog was on medication. Now, granted, they come with some problems, right? So we can say, well, they need medication. But the next question I ask is, well, any of these dogs, have you talked to the owners and their veterinarians? Is there any plan to taper off? Never. That's never possible.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

Then I was asking them, well, what is the youngest age? And the youngest age was a six month old. What are we doing? And you're correct what you're saying. You're probably very right. But that's most likely on AVSA-B if I have to think who should take responsibility instead of going so strong against averse if I'm not saying they shouldn't or shouldn't. But this is within their real specialty.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

Then I was asking them, well, what is the youngest age? And the youngest age was a six month old. What are we doing? And you're correct what you're saying. You're probably very right. But that's most likely on AVSA-B if I have to think who should take responsibility instead of going so strong against averse if I'm not saying they shouldn't or shouldn't. But this is within their real specialty.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

They should have some control of the general veterinarian industry of what's happening out there.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

They should have some control of the general veterinarian industry of what's happening out there.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

Correct. Yeah, yeah. But that's the, like I, you know, as much as even now, as you were talking, I'm thinking how I just can't put the blame on the, just the general veterinarian, but it's probably not even fair to do that because it's been, the whole idea has been sold to them as this medication is safe and effective. So they don't feel that they should be concerned

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

Correct. Yeah, yeah. But that's the, like I, you know, as much as even now, as you were talking, I'm thinking how I just can't put the blame on the, just the general veterinarian, but it's probably not even fair to do that because it's been, the whole idea has been sold to them as this medication is safe and effective. So they don't feel that they should be concerned

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

And we haven't even touched the deadness of the side effects of what this medication do to humans. You know, what is interesting is like if chemical imbalance were truly the root cause of like depression and behavior problems in dogs, how come natural selection allowed it to remain so widespread in population, right? This is not going, this is not, so something is tweaked. That, and, and, and.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

And we haven't even touched the deadness of the side effects of what this medication do to humans. You know, what is interesting is like if chemical imbalance were truly the root cause of like depression and behavior problems in dogs, how come natural selection allowed it to remain so widespread in population, right? This is not going, this is not, so something is tweaked. That, and, and, and.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

All I'm saying is we should not be irresponsible and overuse. Like the most my most difficult cases And they're recorded. They're like from day one, as they come, they are recorded until, like we're talking three months, every session filmed, regardless if it's here in a training or if it's out in public or whatever. So it's very, very well documented.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

All I'm saying is we should not be irresponsible and overuse. Like the most my most difficult cases And they're recorded. They're like from day one, as they come, they are recorded until, like we're talking three months, every session filmed, regardless if it's here in a training or if it's out in public or whatever. So it's very, very well documented.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

This stuff I have learned that it's important to do because talk goes so far. My most difficult cases, I found that I have to taper them off the medication. so they can start to get excited about life a little bit. So I can so I can connect to it. So I can say, Hey, Bobby, Bobby goes, Yeah, it's me. And I have something to work on.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

This stuff I have learned that it's important to do because talk goes so far. My most difficult cases, I found that I have to taper them off the medication. so they can start to get excited about life a little bit. So I can so I can connect to it. So I can say, Hey, Bobby, Bobby goes, Yeah, it's me. And I have something to work on.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

And I'm not going to change my mind. I agree with you 100%. I'm also not going to change my mind. What I was going to say is, like, I have this one dog right now that I somehow end up with. And he's that kind of dog that you just described him very well. He was on, oh, man, what was the medication now? Exoplum. Acetalopram. Yeah. Yeah. Gabapentin. Trazodone.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

And I'm not going to change my mind. I agree with you 100%. I'm also not going to change my mind. What I was going to say is, like, I have this one dog right now that I somehow end up with. And he's that kind of dog that you just described him very well. He was on, oh, man, what was the medication now? Exoplum. Acetalopram. Yeah. Yeah. Gabapentin. Trazodone.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

the CBD supplement and some other supplements for calmness for three years without any like zero change. He's going to be euthanized tomorrow.

Training Without Conflict Podcast
Episode Fifty-Nine: Dr. Orion

the CBD supplement and some other supplements for calmness for three years without any like zero change. He's going to be euthanized tomorrow.