Ivan Raiklin

And then I see Jason.

I was like, hey, what's up, Ivan?

Let me introduce you to the people.

So I guess I made enough of an impression throughout the different times we interacted.

Because I usually shit on people that are conducting treason and calling them out.

And while the spectators out there don't like it because that's their dog in the fight,

I think that Jason saw that I never really attacked him.

I was just like, hey, man, you're wrong, and here's why.

But I was respectful about it because he was, you know, when you're nice to me, I'm going to go all out to basically outdo you with what I can to be nice back.

But if you fuck with me, I'm going to go fucking scorched earth.

The other way as well.

So what I'm getting at with this, I'm glad you're giving me the bandwidth to talk about this, is that that was the reason that, and coupled with interacting with Silicon Valley at a somewhat deeper level than most people in the Army and Army Reserves do, led me into that position to be a tech scout because I kept a good relationship with people even though politically we're completely not...

we're not in line until you finally see the evidence that i see then you're like okay it makes sense yeah and so i'm glad he he had that growing phase because i i can't blame him because he's building businesses he's investing in business not worried about politics just like elon elon was like a baby neophyte clueless on politics and they ran circles around him and ran him out but he's learned through that process and hopefully he'll re-engage but um

Yeah, since you're focused on business and entrepreneurship and— That's a cool story.

So even back—I got even more, like—you're only 28, so let me even go farther back.

So we're talking 20—wait, no, 2015.

So that would have been about the same time.

I was in high school then.

So in 2012—

I was an analyst, a counterintelligence analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency.