Ivan Raiklin

I know.

So, like, I go way... I'm pretty, like, OG on a lot of this stuff, right?

Because I'm 49, so I've dabbled... I've had the luxury to dabble in different spaces because when I'm in the reserves, right, it's only a part-time thing in the military.

So I'm doing all these other endeavors, right?

And so...

2012 that's when i was a federal civilian employee intel analyst and i'm listening in and the topic of the discussion was called secrecy and how things are going to be less and less secret right because of the internet so this was 20 yeah 2012 social media is not that just getting kind of started right twitter is kicking off starting to pick up a little bit here and there and um

I remember at the end, he gives his speech, and at the end, he's like, hey, does anybody have any questions?

And freaking no one's got a question.

I'm like, I do.

I got tons of questions.

So I ask him, because I followed his career.

Yeah, I looked at different... Just like you, you know, in high school, you're probably looking at this stuff considering how successful you are now.

Yeah, so we're going to get to Gary Vee.

That's another good story, dude.

So...

In 1999 was when PayPal was kicking, right?

1999, 2000.

And I think it was in 2000 that he left maybe, Peter Till.

So anyway, going back to like 1999 timeframe, which was probably before you were born.

So I'm following his career, not just like as a spectator.